CTVT – A contagious cancer that spreads from dog to dog
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Female dogs will typically get tumor growths on the vagina, and at its worst will look like someone took a meat grinder to her parts. It will blow up in size and at some point the dog will succumb and die.
The male dog will get it in the penis, and typically will be caught sooner as bloody discharge from a male dog is something that raises a red flag quicker.
My mother-in-law has had 3 dogs get infected at different points in time, one female that had to be put down and two male that recovered.
Between us and my MIL we have 10 dogs, and all of them except one are fixed. I've made sure of that. I'm not able to win the argument over the last one, but it's old now anyways. The dogs she had that got sick was from before I was in the picture.
Our boy has had his chemo and seems fully recovered: swelling is gone, bleeding and reverse-sneezing have stopped, appetite is back to normal, all signs of lethargy and malaise are gone. Hopefully he will remain tumour-free.
One year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17489382.
5 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7118621.
"Our analyses reveal a mutational signature, signature A, that occurred in the past but ceased to be active from about 1000 years ago. A recent study (37) detected evidence for an excess of C>T mutations at TCC contexts, the mutation type most prevalent in signature A, accumulating in the human germ line between 15,000 and 2000 years ago. If this human mutation pulse is due to signature A, it could indicate a shared environmental exposure that was once widespread but has now disappeared."
There will now be a small academic race to identify this mysterious carcinogen which both humans and this dog cancer were previously exposed to.
This reminded me of the Radiolab episode “Devil Tumors” [2], featuring a similar kind of contagious cancer in Tasmanian Devils.
The "lie" (which was not a lie at all) that you were told actually meant that you can't get cancer from being around someone with cancer. That's still true.
The rare human cancers that are transmissible like cervical cancer get covered in sex-ed, and interventions like condoms are effective.
Even cervical cancer isn't transmissible, just the HPV risk factor
The reason most cancers aren't transferrable, is the same reason that organ transplants are so hard. Most individuals in most species have unique antigen profiles. The immune system attacks any foreign bodies without matching antigens. An internally generated tumor works because it's cloned from an individual's own cells.
But a foreign tumor, is very unlikely to have a matching antigen profile. Therefore the immune system will attack and destroy with extreme prejudice. However a highly inbred population may lack the sufficient genetic diversity to have individually unique antigen profiles. In the extreme case if we were all clones we could pass tumors back and forth with ease.
The short answer is that it would be virtually impossible to see any widespread cases of clonally transmissible cancers in non-immunocompromised humans.
I'm thinking of the Amish population near my hometown that has definite inbreeding traits and particular disabilities associated with inbreeding in their bloodline/families.
Would it be possible for them to develop some kind of transmissible cancer?
Transplanted HeLa cells were shown to engraft in unrelated human "subjects" (in some truly evil experiments by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_M._Southam), other cell lines probably have the same capacity.
This feels wrong - surely particular carcinogens don't cause particular mutations. Isn't this just chance?
> Many carcinogens mutate DNA in distinctive ways: Sunlight, for example, creates a very different pattern of mutations than cigarette smoke. Murchison’s team found that CTVT contains a lot of those sunlight signatures, especially at lower latitudes, where the sun is stronger. For example, CTVT in Mauritius has more sunlight-induced mutations than the same tumor in Russia.
Epigenetics can cause different parts of DNA to be more or less exposed in different parts of the body. There are also indirect effects from chemicals- some carcinogens can cause changes in proteins, or be bound to proteins, which can cause them to be around certain regions of DNA more.
Mostly though you see that kind of thing more in viral/bacterial cancers- a sizeable percentage of all tumors are caused this way.
> “CTVT is like its own organism,” Murchison says. “It isn’t really a dog. Is it a cancer, still?”
> Its future is uncertain, though. While failing to acquire beneficial mutations, CTVT is also failing to weed out harmful ones. That’s understandable, because much of its DNA comprises genes for building a dog
Do humans have anything like that? If we did would this not cause a panic?
Similarly, a cancer that started in a specific dog ended up evolving to survive in different animals.
>To clarify, several cancers can be caused by infectious entities; cervical cancer, for example, is the work of HPV, a sexually transmitted virus. But in those cases, the cancer itself is not infectious and cannot spread. CTVT is different: Each cancer cell is a free-living parasite that can set up another tumor on another dog.
HPV can also (rarely) cause cancers of the throat and penis.
> To clarify, several cancers can be caused by infectious entities; cervical cancer, for example, is the work of HPV, a sexually transmitted virus. But in those cases, the cancer itself is not infectious and cannot spread. CTVT is different: Each cancer cell is a free-living parasite that can set up another tumor on another dog.
Put another way, HPV is a virus whose effects can cause cancer. That is, it causes mutations in _your own_ cells that cause them to become cancerous.
CTVT is essentially a parasitic cell line — not your cells hopping a ride on you.
> To clarify, several cancers can be caused by infectious entities; cervical cancer, for example, is the work of HPV, a sexually transmitted virus.
Oddly, the main panic we see around HPV is anti-vaxxers going after the Gardasil vaccine.
I don't know much about anti vaxers. I just remember something about how it causes autism (they think). And often diagnosis is around the time early childhood vaxination is done.
Sonmy question is what does a late child vax for HPV do (in their words).
https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2016/jan/11/why-is-...
For the family of that girl and her close circle that is the image they have of the vaccine. I'm not saying the vaccine cause paralisis. I'm saying that for her it was the cause, they still don't have another explanation (no gillan-barre, nor wierd infection). Thats why in Colombia just a few people will allow to get that vaccine, out there you will find few cases like the one of my friend, but enough to make most woman reject its aplication.
Its just a view from that population perspective and why it impacts on the acceptance of the drug.
https://www.aan.com/PressRoom/Home/PressRelease/692
> “Our results show that Guillain-Barré is not occurring more often after HPV vaccination than it does in the general population.”
Side note: Even if the vaccination caused all 36 cases described in a two-year period, and even if that were elevated from the normal incidence in the unvaccinated population, HPV causes thousands of deaths annually from cervical cancer. Public health should be a matter of statistics, not anecdotes.
Most probable cause? That’s a bit of hyperbole without extraordinary evidence.
Per Wiki:
> There are no reported human cases of clonally transmissible cancers that can independently survive and be transferred in the manner of CTVT and DFTD. However, instances of one human passing cancer cells to another through physical contact have been reported. These cases typically involve organ or hematopoietic stem cell transplants or cancers transferred from a pregnant mother to her fetus.[66] The difference of these incidences from a true clonally transmissible cancer, however, is that the cases of human transfer were one-off events — the actual tumor did not have properties allowing it to be continually transferred throughout the population, and therefore the tumor clone went extinct with the death of the host individuals.
I wonder if there's an analogy to governments and laws. As our laws become more complex and "mutate," governments gradually become less effective.