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Since no one else has asked yet: You seem like a nice guy who could probably get a job elsewhere easily. Why are you still at FB?

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Maybe the position of VP of AI at other FAANG companies was already taken, and there were no other alternatives at the similar level of prestige and compensation in the job market.

>>similar level of prestige

Assuming this isn't sarcasm, this is how the word prestige is defined - "denoting something that arouses widespread respect or admiration".

Facebook lied to ad buyers (customers) about video views

https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/17/17989712/facebook-inaccu...

Facebook lied to users about their spying app

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/03/02/facebook-...

Facebook lied to regulators about its ability to combine user data

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/7/18215143/facebook-whatsapp...

Facebook lied to journalists about the CA issue

https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/qv777x/facebook-lied-to-j...

They don't mind doing mood manipulation experiments

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/every...

They have absolutely no qualms stooping low enough to steal money from kids

https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/facebook-friendly-fr...

Based on the definition above, there is only one prestigious job left at Facebook. Whistle-blower.

> Assuming this isn't sarcasm, this is how the word prestige is defined - "denoting something that arouses widespread respect or admiration".

"Prestige" in terms of the scale of technical challenges that very few other companies can match at the moment. For many career-focused individuals that is the only thing that matters.

I am at FB completely by choice as I don't need to work any longer. FB is an amazing company - best talent I have ever worked with combined with some of the most interesting challenges I have ever faced. And it gives you the means and autonomy to pursue really bold projects, like PyTorch. Yes it made some serious mistakes but it's genuinely trying to solve them. I know me just saying it won't convince you that it's the case, would be hard not to be skeptical given the press and the way it's portrayed on HN, but on the inside it's pretty clear.

>>given the press and the way it's portrayed on HN

You forgot to add the most important reason which should be at the beginning of that sentence - track record.

And also, hiding important financial details e.g. the so called "friendly fraud" case is not a serious mistake, which implies that somehow it all "just happened" and could have "happened to anyone". It was deliberate, a lot of people were complicit, and it is exactly the kind of issue that crosses the fine line between what is merely a "serious mistake" and goes and sits squarely in the realm of "intentional, systematic and deliberate fraud" to pump up the company pre-IPO. And the fact that this came to light about 7-8 years after the actual incident suggests that we have only yet seen the tip of the iceberg on these kinds of issues.

But let us suppose you are actually right that it was just a "serious mistake".

My view is that right now there are a lot more shady things going on inside FB even as you come and write this.

"Well, how can you be so sure?" is what people generally ask. That's exactly what people who were defending FB were asking as early as 2016 on these forums. But over the last 2-3 years, the skeptics have been vindicated, and those folks who were previously defending FB are nowhere to be found on threads which discuss Facebook. As the saying goes - their silence is now deafening.

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