Ask HN: 20+ Postings in 20 minutes of HN. Is this considered spam ?
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Now, since pretty much every good story is going to end up here anyway, I don't see any reason to reward people for posting them.
Karma for comments makes sense, since it's an actual contribution by you. Karma for posting something you didn't even write just leads to people gaming the system.
YOU can have the categories in the drop down of "New" post link. You can a have "view all" as an option as well.
You can have the category fields as a requirement when filling out the submission form.
I hope the PTB of HN consider this.
wow even this post is getting voted down already. HMMM
In my experience HN'ers are quite restrained in their downvotes. Apart from a few of your comments in this thread that got downvoted I don't see any major downvoting trend going on.
And about those comments: I do not have the karma to downvote anyone and I haven't till before this thread felt the need for such rights. But some of your comments did come off as immature and needlessly argumentative, to the point of refusing to listen to what everyone is saying to you and blaming everything on being a newbie.
Just my thoughts.
Karma seems more sought after than I thought. It seems there is almost a viable market for it. Shudder
It's also the reason why every single techcrunch article get submitted here. There was a time where you'd see maybe one TC article a week come through, usually with discussion as to whether it was really worth being here.
Realistically, maybe half a dozen articles per day are high enough quality to even be submitted here. The fact that we're seeing thousands each day is a sign that standards have fallen drastically. Removing the incentive to post things unless they're really good would go a long way toward improving the signal to noise ratio.
However karma has to be made a float as opposed to an integer. I am curious, do downvoters get a tiny hit for downvoting ?
Though I'm pretty new here, so this might be 'normal'.
While this is a perfectly valid question that many people have or had, it may also indicate an interest in getting a higher karma for the sake of it, instead of thinking about the benefits of his/her contributions to the community.
Nope, sorry. Participating in the community means taking the good with the bad and vice versa. You may not like being "called out" and the OP may or may not be justified in doing so, but it's part of the nature of things. You don't have to like it, but it will happen.
Anyway, average karma is probably more important, and you can't game that by submitting lots of links/comments - you need to focus on submitting meaningful content instead.
p.s. Just in case you think so, I have not down voted any of your comments and am newbier than you by a shade.
> so even my question about being a newbie get voted down. NICE!
Bottom line is; things are a bit different around here (as well as much the same as any other community). Accept you screwed up, read the advice and take it away. Getting upset at blunt replies isn't really going to help (you or anyone else). Getting mad about the downvotes, even less so. Starting threads moaning about flamewarring etc. is even worse ;)
Don't worry about it. We all make mistakes. Now you've had a crash course in some of the rules and ettitquete.
No one is out to get you.
I would ignore this entire thread from now on if I were you. There is little else constructive to be added. I suspect a mod will kill it off reasonably soon.
This leads me to believe that you are just attempting to build karma for some reason without adding any real benefit to this community.
Reviewing what you have submitted, I think it would be to your benefit to look at what type of stories are highly voted on and, more importantly, commented on. Then maybe you will pass over the YouTube video and add something of value.
Just my $0.02...
I appreciate those who are becoming aware of this and are voting some back up. Thanks
"20 in 20" sounds like you wanted a winning headline (which I guess is the case)
Please stop scolding the user for trying something out of the norm. It just means one will have to take a bit more effort to go back the first page of http://news.ycombinator.com/newest (click the more link... some more).
You can also tell the user that comments hold more value for a person than posting links.
It is like twitter for some people at first you try to mimic the big guys as fast and as abundant as possible but after a while you "get" the system.
Give the user some time o0. These guidelines are taken as advice no? After all this is just an experiment. Stop smothering the small guys, we are people too :)
Also, I don't think the regulars would've jumped on 10smom the way they have if it were obviously a newbie mistake. Personally, what galls (enough to pull me out of lurk-mode) is how this could probably have gone away early on if 10smom actually tried to make amends. Instead, additional comments were posted that point to someone who was aware that what she was doing pretty much amounts to gaming HN's karma system.
It might be better to listen for a while and stop posting more comments complaining about down-voting - the more of those you post the worse your average score will be (because you can be sure that a comment complaining about down-voting will never be voted up much).
But to address the cumulative comments made by 10smom below, here's the snippet from her profile - "I am a Female, self funded, Startup Entrepreneur". From what I've seen lurking around here for a year or so, you're best bet is to ask for feedback on your start-up. You'll either get accolades or at least constructive criticism but I strongly doubt you'll get into an argument like this one.
If you're thick-skinned enough to be an entrepreneur, I'm sure you can forget about this thread ... let's just start over as though we'd never met you.
And if you're worthy of karma, people will realize that over time and you'll get it. I started following patio11 a long time before he was a rising karma star, but if you read his comments here and his blog at http://www.kalzumeus.com, you'll realize why he has (and deserves) so much respect.
Pleased to meet you 10smom!
Maybe something like a cool-off period, similar to what is used for deeply nested threads, will be good.
Please don't submit so many links at once that the new page is dominated by your submissions.
There is a rule for dealing with this scarcity: don't bulk-post. Take your best guess for the most worthy news, post it and then respect the waiting period before you post again.
Posting a link just because it "would be posted anyways"? That, to me, is an admission of sorts to gaming the system; that you're "sharing" those links only for the karma, not because you're genuinely interested in the content you're linking to.
This shows a sense of entitlement that not only goes against the spirit of the community but also against the published guidelines as others have mentioned. Here's a list of some guidelines you've either ignored or are ignorant of:
> If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. ('what to expect' at CES isn't exactly intellectually gratifying, and certainly not two stories about the exact same topic within minutes of each other)
> If the original title includes the name of the site, please take it out, because the site name will be displayed after the link anyway. (Almost every link you submitted)
> If the original title begins with a number or number + gratuitous adjective, we'd appreciate it if you'd crop it. E.g. translate "10 Ways To Do X" to "How To Do X," and "14 Amazing Ys" to "Ys." Exception: when the number is meaningful, e.g. "The 5 Platonic Solids." (Such as "10 Transportation Trends That Rocked 2010 | Autopia | Wired.com")
> Please don't submit so many links at once that the new page is dominated by your submissions. (Obvious)
If you're unsure about what is expected of a community, there's a couple of approaches you might adopt. You can bombard the community with a ton of questions which, depending on the community, many not go over well... like your "Ask HN" about how to search HN -- is it really too difficult to find the "Search" link on the footer of every page? Or you can adopt the age-old tradition called lurking.
There is absolutely no question that you're abusing the system. You're purposefully degrading the experience of everyone, and of course you're aware of it. Whether there's a rule about this sort of thing is completely irrelevant and stating that "Y combinator encourage" this behavior by not implementing functionality to stop it is simply disingenious.
Any system can be gamed or abused if you just make an effort. In the end it comes down to your (missing) sense of honor. Do you want to contribute or would you rather like to corrupt the world? Corrosion is always easier of course, and may even reward you in the short run. And I guess we already are rewarding you by talking about you, so I guess the strategy paid off. HN wouldn't be the first site to die like this, but I'm guessing this is not the time yet.
It does affect the majority, because worthy submissions get lost in this flood and are not promoted to the front page.
If that one item doesn't make it to the front page, then you confirm that others don't have interest in the other not-as-good items, so don't submit those.
From wikipedia - In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
As I am sure this is not the intention you have, please be a bit more careful. We are all friends here. No need for sarcastic questions or inflammatory messages.
Well we use tools to automate the reading of this site, why not the posting too?
I'd prefer readers to be human filters, submitting only the best of the best out of their RSS feeds, such that the overall submission rate stays at a rate that I can read.
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