Tech companies ignore pleas on rail safety
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A driver needs to stop at a railroad crossing just like they do at a red light or stop sign. If a driver is ignoring any of these, I really don't see how an app is going to help.
Or conversely, if a crossing is somehow not well-marked on the road then that's deep negligence on the part of the transportation department and it needs to be fixed -- it has nothing to do with apps. (All the crossings I know have a closed gate and flashing lights, although I understand this might vary locally.)
b) they have been proven to not having taken action even though "safety advocates" have asked for years.
c) as such they are ripe for some cherry picked court to fine them
There are many many warnings we encounter in daily life which only exist to protect not just the consumer but the manufacturer or service provider from unscrupulous lawyers and political officials who would otherwise exploit the situation.
no snark intended, however we live in a society where someone else is always to blame and usually someone with money which can be taken by penalty or forfeiture in trial or settlement.
Although you should focus on road signs more than you do the app, there could be a dangerous situation in which the app says "make a left turn at the light", but before reaching the light there is a railroad crossing. Of course you need to stop at that, but the app can enhance the situation but treating it like another instruction. I see no problem here but an overall safety enhancement.
This can have the potential effect that people expect the apps to always announce a crossing. So when the app fails to announce for whatever reason, people go through the crossing and get hurt.
If that isn't to become some sort of text-to-speech database dump about the area, there has to be a good theory of the conditions for what's worthwhile. And I sense that the natural conditions are the same as the conditions for putting up warning signs, reducing the speed limit, etc.
Here's a quick query visualizing just how many there are:
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Ls7
(move the map and click "Run" to look at other areas)
I think the FRA data includes information about what type of control each crossing has. It wouldn't be a huge project to highlight the less controlled crossings that are on higher speed and higher traffic routes.
https://fragis.fra.dot.gov/GISFRASafety/
They have extended information about the crossings.
Do drivers really watch their maps to see upcoming hazards? I just glance once in a while to see how far until my next turn and which direction it will be.
It's a numbers game. 999/1000 will be watching just fine without a warning from their navigation app; that warning might bring awareness to 999.8/1000 or so. Or something like that. That could result in a pretty dramatic decrease of accidents.
This seems like a no-brainer to me - they should add a (visual) warning about this.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Bl...
I'm talking about something that would pop on the Waze display, like 20 seconds ahead of reaching the crossing.
It encourages taking drivers' eyes off the road. Can you offer an argument that its value is such that that's a net improvement?
I know this is going to sound like victim blaming, but are RR crossings really that hard to see? Surely the apps are not the problem, but maybe from the people racing the train and losing? And I get that some crossings might be hard to see until you're right there, but how is this tech's problem and not an infrastructure problem? IOW, if I wasn't using a maps app with added information, I would be in more danger, so why doesn't infrastructure fix it?
Apparently a driver drove onto the railroad tracks after confusing them with a road at night.
That's the key line in that article. Adding it to Google Maps doesn't fix this. Putting up a sign that says "No idiot, don't turn here" doesn't fix this. Better driver training doesn't fix this. Better working time rules (the driver was "severely fatigued") doesn't fix this.
Grade separation fixes this.
[1] https://www.bts.gov/content/highway-rail-grade-crossings-typ...
The truck driver is reported to have driven along the tracks having turned too early before the intersection at Fifth Street and then having gotten his wheels jammed in the tracks from which he was then unable to extricate it.
It's a little surprising, since you'd think a truck would be high enough to clear the rails, or that he would immediately realise and try to reverse back into the intersection, but I guess panic set in.
Obviously, if apps are routing people down rail tracks, that's a big problem, but it doesn't seem to have been what happened here. Expecting developers to try to solve for every possible dumb human scenario doesn't end well.
Although, I wonder whether US railway crossings can be hard to see at night.
Is it really that hard for the railways to fix this problem with better modern automated gates?
(I'm in the US)
Many don't have lights.
In a lot of cases, the lack of an actual automated barrier is just down to budget & maintenance costs. The sparse communities can’t afford to pay to install them or maintain them, and there are too many train crossings that are too spread out rurally for the state to maintain them. If one of them malfunctioned there could be lawsuits, or it could block road traffic on critical county roads where the nearest possible alternate route might be tens of miles away, and the road is needed for school buses, emergencg vehicles, snow removal, etc.
So in total these communities just accept the risk because it’s logistically intractable otherwise.
At the same time, there must be billions of railroad crossings by vehicles every year. If map apps do anything to announce/mention railroad crossings, I would expect there to be some number of people that make this mistake because of confusion about the announcement/indication instead of preventing it.
People must be forced to look on the damn road instead of putting everything including speed limits in their navigation system - I would actually outlaw displaying everything that can be seen with your eyes in navigation apps.
Otherwise such stories or "tin can opener bridges" are not ever going to disappear. If you're wondering about the bridge: https://youtu.be/u_9rWH0p43A
There are literally flashing lights and a direction "OVERHEIGHT" blinking, and people are too focused on their navs/phones to notice it.