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They have zero incentive to reign in their so called 'radical elements', they live in an apartheid state.

"Apartheid state" is an incendiary and useless label, though the comparison is indeed useful.

Unfortunately, the continuing violence of Palestinians against Israelis and the rhetoric about the destruction of Israel are the main argument for maintaining that oppression. And a particularly good one, as far as reasons for oppressing people go.

"The continuing violence of Palestinians against Israelis" - This framing is just the manifestation of utter ignorance or of blatant bias. For those who are interested and want to construct their own opinion:

[Genocidal Views: Israelis Speak Candidly About Palestinians](https://youtu.be/1e_dbsVQrk4)

[Israeli Army Vet’s Exposé - “I Was the Terrorist”](https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc)

[Irish MP reads out quotes made by Israeli Ministers](https://youtu.be/5utTDGS3B_Q)

[If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine](https://ifamericaknew.org/)

[Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized](https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4)

What framing? It's absolutely true that Palestinians are committing acts of terror/violence against Israeli citizens. I'm not saying that all of them do it. I'm not even saying most of them support violence against Israel/Israelis, though you could get that impression when listening to their leaders. Both small scale violence with knifes or guns, up to rockets, are an undeniable fact.

I am purposely depicting both sides. Just as I am not ignoring the suffering of Palestinians at the hand of Israeli forces, and that Israeli forces have at times gone far beyond what is morally or legally justifiable.

But it doesn't help to label this "Apartheid". It's a totally different conflict with different causes and entirely different solutions. If Israelis where to give citizenship to all Palestinians (and I would say the Palestinians have some claim to that), Israel would cease to exist and I highly doubt Palestinians would protect Jewish Israelis...

This is the most difficult and complicated conflict in the world in our time. There are no simple solutions, but the last thing that helps is to heap blame on one side.

It's a colonial project that expands illegally at the expense of one side only, how's that not one-sided?

The label is intended to evoke an emotional response. The very presence of the state of israel is an act of violence.

I think you are confused. The “apartheid state” is in the West Bank. It’s “occupying terrorist state” in Gaza.

There’s no Israeli presence there other than Israeli water, electricity, petrol, money and occasional bombs.

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