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EU shooting themselves in the foot with all these data rulings. Innovation will never happen there, US tech products will slowly suck the wealth out of European nations, much like China manufacturing sucked the wealth out of the us manufacturing sector.

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Needing consent for sending data to Fb is only consequential and consistent with the law's goals. It's been good practice on decent German sites for a long time to present social media buttons as greyed-out icons to indicate tracking code by those third parties is only embedded on the linked page.

Is that what being greyed out is supposed to convey? I thought it was just another UI design.

It certainly does not convey that intuitively. Nothing's preventing Facebook from presenting greyed out versions of their icons, for example.

True. It's just been a convention on tech-related sites for their above-average privacy-aware audience.

Interesting, I would have thought that one of the few UI conventions that is fairly universal is that buttons are greyed out if they are inactive. I'm certain that many people will never click a greyed out button for this reason.

Not quite greyed-out as in disabled. Not sure merely using a b/w logo without logotext will work out with today's flat designs and usage habits. I remember it being used when minimal design wasn't as common as today, and the icons would stand-out (or rather fade into the background).

I think you're putting too much weight behind the like button here. It will be replaced by something else or stripped down to a version without any identifying properties, which I see as a win-win.

> Innovation will never happen there

How does forbidding hostile user data harvesting means that innovation will never happen?

Less innovation in user-hostile practices, of course!

Unfortunately it probably means the opposite. Make it harder to track users and these companies will innovate in the area of user tracking.

It will also cause innovation in user data protection though?

Do you have some sort of timeline for this “sucking of wealth from European nations”? What are some of the actions/consequences as you see them?

Or, just possibly, Americans will wise up that surveillance capitalism is a net negative in the long run.

Heh, as an American I only wish. Every day it seems like the surveillance of all kinds gets worse.

I would vastly prefer the "US innovation" ideology to stay the fuck over there, and we keep our privacy rights.

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