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> However, without the green wire, if either the red or black shorts to something, the breaker will not open and you have an enormous potential to harm someone or burn your house down.

This is not true. First of all only the red is hot, if the black shorts to something nothing will happen.

Second if there is a short strong enough to "burn your house down", the breaker most definitely will open.

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After researching the UK electrical system, I realize I was mistaken on one regard. I thought they used 2-ungrounded conductors, but I was mistaken. The red wire is the only ungrounded. This would be the same as the black wire in a US house. The red wire is their grounded/neutral. This would be the same as a white wire in a US house.

I am correct on the EGC, though. It works the same as the EGC in the US. If a ground fault causes a house to burn down, then the breaker will absolutely NOT open. That's how the fire starts: current flows through something it shouldn't long enough to heat it up to the point that something ignites. If the breaker opens, the fire wouldn't have started in the first place.

The US NEC now requires arc fault circuit interrupters which are pretty darn expensive circuit breakers with built-in electronics to detect an arcing situation that wouldn't trigger a normal circuit breaker but can cause a fire.

I keep hearing electricians say that they can't detect bad splices which how most residential electrical fires start.

I've seen videos of these on YouTube and they seem useless!

Current British electrical standards require RCDs (GFCIs to you) to be fitted to new installations. So the RCD should trip 30 ms after the current starts flowing where it shouldn't. Plenty of installations won't be brought up to spec for decades of ever, however...

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