As crime dries up, Japan’s police hunt for things to do (2017)
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A police whistle shrieked, and I turned and saw a police officer absolutely booking it through the crowd, shoving through people, shouting at some perpetrator.
My American-cultured brain thought, "This is it, someone's about to die." It seriously freaked me out.
I watched, and he caught up to... a guy on a bike. It was a no-biking zone. He gave the guy a ticket.
And I'm in relatively gun-free Australia.
In the UK and some other EU countries, you'd just pay on the spot (either the fine or the ticket price). Some things aren't worth that much policing.
Similar with bringing a bottle of a brand that the store sells into the store - how are they supposed to know if you brought it in or if you just took it in the store and opened it there on the way to the cash register? (which, by the way, is not super uncommon either and generally tolerated)
German police are not allowed to collect fines on the spot, it's a corruption prevention measure.
Yes, kind of my bad with the bottle, but it was half empty and was like 50 cents anyway.
You could limit collecting fines by card I guess, the payment would go to the authorities.
Just seems like such small infractions aren't worth the stress, there's operations raking in millions tax free that could be worked on.
How many more police would it take, I wonder, before London was considered as safe as Tokyo?
I think the real problem here is that the citizens of Japan police themselves, and the citizens of most western countries like the UK don't.
So I did what any self-respecting Canadian would do, I decided to be a hero.. I wheeled it home and showed it to my wife she says 'you better do something with it' so a day passes and we show it to my mother in law and she decides to call the local police to come get it
Lo and behold they show up but right away the guy starts going at me 'why did you take another person's property?' treating me like a criminal i.e. guilty until proven innocent. He makes me sit in the back of his car, separates me from my mother in law, asks for my identification, takes my passport, my employment, the works
They even called the detective squad and three guys roll up in a van
It was some kind of interrogation, I felt like Otto Warmbier. He asked every question under the sun, apparently he thought my mother in law was calling to report me for stealing a bike and he explained that it was no different than a bloody knife or a stolen purse. I decided to take the comical side and laughed my ass off when he told me that. It was more about him saving face to his command at that point
I couldn't believe the ludicrous nature of the whole deal. My only saving grace was that I'm married to a Japanese national so that got me off the hook, along with an intervention by my father in law and the local member of city government who lives down the street, otherwise I may have gone missing and ended up deported for all I know
Bicycle crime is real dude and I can totally understand why asian people suffer from such glaring groupthink and disdain for helping anyone -- no good deed goes unpunished for real
Was this part necessary?
The reason that even minor crimes (stealing a bicycle) are taken seriously is that letting small things slide is the beginning of an erosion of the rule of law. You should probably learn your lesson and leave things that aren’t yours alone. Furthermore, the fact that you think your political connections got you off the hook tells us everything we need to know about your exceptionalist outlook.
People like you make the police skeptical of foreigners like myself who bother to learn and play by the rules out of respect for our host country.
I really love how you condensed it well. This is how I always observed in the wild.
"The broken windows theory is a criminological theory that states that visible signs of crime, anti-social behavior, and civil disorder create an urban environment that encourages further crime and disorder, including serious crimes. The theory suggests that policing methods that target minor crimes such as vandalism, public drinking, and fare evasion help to create an atmosphere of order and lawfulness, thereby preventing more serious crimes."
Doesn't seem like the best argument, because that isn't necessarily how the rule of law works. Taking abandon property isn't necessarily theft, even using a non-abandoned bike isn't necessarily theft but something like "unlawful usage", and if you don't intend to keep the object it is even less theft. It many countries it isn't a "minor crime" to leaving an abandoned bike with the police, but simply what you are supposed to do. But apparently Tokyo has a big problem with abandoned bikes [0]. You sentiment mostly just seems to confirm OPs suggestion that people should know their place.
https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h00444/tackling-tokyo%E...
Most difference between crime in Norway and Japan is more likely down to Norway having much larger immigrant population from poorer countries.
I think your attitude easily ends up excusing police states. Japanese justice system is highly questionable. Almost nobody ever gets acquitted in the justice system, and prison is rather harsh. Norway gets away with low crime despite (or because of) probably the worlds most liberal prison system.
Don't get me wrong. I admire a lot about Japan, but I think you easily fall into the trap of thinking that everything great about Japan is directly the result of something bad.
I would argue more important factor causing law crime in Japan is much the same as in Nordic countries. Low levels of inequality. How people are socialized. Stricter gun laws.
And let us not forget that the average age is high in Japan. Older people commit a lot less crime.
Japan has actually been seeing a rise in crime among the elderly population lately: https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/11/22/500040363/...
In a country of literal ninjas and samurais, this is the most inconsequential of all the reasons you gave.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309755075_Does_Gun_...
I looked very briefly at that study. It compares US cities to other US cities using data from 1990. I would be more interested in how the US stacks up against other countries that don't have to act within the limitations of the Second Amendment. More recent data would probably be valuable as well.
Norway was has a murder rate 2.5x that of Japan[1]. Norway is considerably less safe than Japan, albeit still very safe by global standards.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...
https://www.tokyoweekender.com/2017/06/sex-crimes-japan-go-u...
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/07/31/national/crime-...
Japan also has a huge issue with people admitting to crimes they did not commit. https://www.france24.com/en/20181207-japan-justice-99-system...
@nosuchuser2 said,
"Japan's official murder rate is widely believed to be significantly underreported"
in response to someone noting that Norway's murder rate is 2.5x Japan's murder rate.
None of the articles you linked to even mentions an elevated or misreported murder rate. Instead you linked to articles suggesting that sex crimes are underreported. Sex crimes are actually underreported in just about every industrialized country, US included.
Given that the official murder statistics are what they are, citation is still required
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory#Criticis...
Multiple detectives investigating a bicycle theft is absurd. This has positively nothing to do with the broken window theory, but instead is exactly what the article talks about which is an overstaffed police force with little to do.
And it doesn't have little to do because Japan is such a cultural gem. It has little to do because Japan is facing a population implosion as the population ages with few children. Youth and young adults are, unsurprisingly, responsible for most crime, and when you have few in that demographic crime drops. No surprise.
[1] It's interesting to think about this in the context of a Japanese person in, say, Canada. They meet with a ridiculous scenario with a ridiculous response, and when vocalizing to a coworker how ridiculous it is they are told that they are a smug foreigner and need to shut the hell up. That would be simply outrageous, and is the sort of thing the worst sort of racist would resort to.
Right now, property crime reports just blatantly go into the void in US cities.
Edit: moreover, this is a well known thing that foreigners do: https://www.google.com/amp/s/soranews24.com/2017/08/16/pleas...
I get your sentiment though. As a foreigner, tying to live here and have normal, fulfilling relationships takes a metric ton of work. In my experience, there's a bit of an endowment effect, where the coping mechanisms and language successes we pick up through the years get tied into our personal identities.
I've certainly gotten my jimmies ruffled by Outrageous Gaijin TM on many occasions, but I feel like there's a lot of room for mutual growth and 切磋琢磨ing through those interactions.
To flip things on their head a bit, mutual understanding and cooperation are held as socially high ideals here. I think most Japanese would agree those are better than dropping harsh judgement.
Anyway, if you just made a careless post after a stressful day or something, then let me buy you a beer (or tea, if you prefer). My email is in my profile.
b) I used the expression 'decided to be a hero' because in these situations everyone will tell you 'don't be a hero' but I didn't want the bike to rust any more or risk getting taken away so I wheeled it up to do my duty as a 'citizen' i.e. take accountability for its safe return
c) Yes I did adopt the tone of villainy, it's hard to pass through people's sarcasm detectors but don't forget you're reading my words in your perception of my tone of voice and we're all one cosmic consciousness experiencing itself etc
d) Yes, my last snarky jab is necessary because in Asian countries everyone will tell you don't step out of line it's about the rule of law and don't stick your neck out even more than western countries because the police forces here have a real fetish for upholding the iron rule of law
e) don't start labelling me based one anecdote, come and have a beer with me first and see where I'm really coming from.. I've got even worse ones to share that make everyone in a prefecture a thousand kilometres away eye you badly --
The normal thing to do in this case would have been to wheel it to the local kōban...
Back home in Toronto, we have this silly habit of picking people's lost clothing items and putting them up on fences and signposts in case they come back to retrieve them. Under these circumstances here it's safer to walk on by -- same goes with the bike in the generalized sense the burden of returning the bike gets far greater due to the simple fact that most people simply won't bother, hence the need for a gaijin hero to step in and set things to rights
My experiences with the Japanese police:
1. I once found a wallet and carried it all the way to a nearby police box. Had to fill out some forms but no problems.
2. Another time I found and captured a dog running around town and had the police come to fetch it. Again no problems.
3. Just today while renewing my driver's license, I had some time before the lecture started so I walked out of the classroom and searched for a vending machine. I probably looked like I was a bit lost, and a police officer asked me what was wrong.
- Anyway - The plural of anecdote isn't data but I've only had nice encounters with the Japanese police so far.
In what city did you interact with police?
Thinking back I left out a couple encounters.
4. Asked the police box staff if they knew how to get to my hotel (this was before smartphones were common), they helped me (Tokyo)
5. Filed a lost item report (my wallet was stolen, in Japan!) (Tokyo). Didn't turn up (duh) but I think I needed a piece of paper to get back my teikiken on my Suica card.
6. Filed another lost "item" report (a dog I was taking care of ran off. Man, that was nerve-wrecking). They actually helped me look for the dog I think! (No relation with the dog incident in Matsue.) (Shounan region, Kanagawa prefecture)
7. I was cycling to work and it was raining. I was holding an umbrella in one hand and a police car passed by and they used their loudspeakers to tell me to close my umbrella (but didn't stop me or anything). This was in a rather rural area of a rural town (Matsue). I think this is a recently introduced law -- someone holding an umbrella while cycling bumped? crashed? into someone and actually killed them. :/
8. Apparently police box officers walk around the neighborhood ringing on every doorbell and asking if anything's been up lately. That happened in Nagoya a couple weeks ago. I liked it.
I actually admire the fact that they take bicycle theft seriously there.
In my East London flat I look out on an otherwise secluded balcony where a certain gentleman stores an ever-changing selection of nice looking bikes. I suppose it's possible that he's a legitimate bicycle trader, but given the fact that it's a) a total crackhead flat, and b) he doesn't seem to treat these nice bikes with any respect, just dumping them in a heap, I'm 99% sure they're stolen. I'd report it if it wasn't totally pointless, because the London Police don't care about bike theft.
It's like an athlete in combat sports not hiding the fact that they are gassed. There has to be some attempt to guise the reality or the situation devolves even faster.
Imagine being this vilely racist while being married to an Asian person. I feel sorry for your wife.
I said that at the risk of being accused of having internalized racism as an Asian person, but the situation on the ground really does resemble what he said.
There can be a real downside to police officers overzealously looking for someone to bust just to have something to do.
Spending less money on police and more on things such as social welfare will probably do more for crime than getting them to plant trees or whatever.
They do things like place some crumpled car as a billboard somewhere prominent to remind you daily what your car might look like if you drive drunk, then post a count that gets updated daily "Days since last deadly accident" or something like that.
And on the base in question, we had on base housing. One of the duties of the police was to let you in your house if you locked yourself out accidentally. (I did once.)
But this article starts with a stake out actively trying to tempt someone to steal something. It's essentially entrapment, or not far from it.
1. Was it a crime the suspect was unlikely or unwilling to commit otherwise? (The "subjective" test.)
2. Did the actions of officers cause a normally law-abiding person to commit a crime? (The "objective" test.)
In other words, entrapment is when the police actively cause somebody to commit a crime they wouldn't have otherwise committed in similar circumstances.
In the article, the police just left a case of beer inside a car. The police created a passive opportunity, but that's not enough for entrapment... the act of steeling that beer was entirely self meditated.
That sentence has two qualifiers. I still have two people telling me I'm wrong.
In my youth, I would have agreed that a thing should just not be touched if it's not yours because maybe they will come back for it. Someday.
I'm still inclined to generally err in that direction, but I'm less judgy than I used to be of people who would be inclined to feel that a perishable -- like beer -- left out in the open for days on end must be basically abandoned and up for grabs because people don't typically buy consumables like that and leave them sitting out for days on end.
It's not normal behavior. It was intended to be temptation. Whether it meets the legal definition of entrapment or not, it makes for a town I don't really want to visit. There's no telling how far down this slippery slope they will go to keep themselves entertained and prove their paychecks aren't simply a waste of money.
I raised two kids. I've thought quite a lot about such things. I think setting up a "test" of that sort to see who will fall for it isn't nice behavior and shouldn't be done, especially not if your real motive is merely because you are bored.
For example: What if the car is also abandoned?
I was raised to be extremely upstanding and responsible etc. But you can take that too far, which is why we have and need laws that cover when certain things end: statutes of limitations, laws declaring when property is deemed abandoned, etc.
Every state in the US has laws in place that spell out under what conditions the government or another party can claim your real estate. The local government typically claims it if you haven't paid your taxes in X amount of time and resells it. If it is mortgaged, the bank can claim it if you fail to pay for X amount of time.
States also spell out when a total stranger can file legal claim on your real estate. This usually involves them openly living there, getting their mail there and paying the utilities and the like for a number of years.
Most states require a period of between ten and twenty years. The most liberal states only require five years. The most conservative -- Texas -- requires 30 years.
Countries that don't have solid processes in place for returning seemingly abandoned real estate to use by allowing some other party to establish legal claim to it wind up having extremely thorny problems, including intractable poverty for large swaths of the population.
Problems with trying to establish clear legal ownership in countries with overly conservative laws or traditions in that regard is one of the biggest challenges faced by Habitat for Humanity. Lack of ability to readily and easily say "We don't think they are coming back for it, and if they do, too bad so sad, time's up" actively undermines a functional society far worse than the occasional petty crime (such as some swiped beer).
I'm personally excessively conservative about such things. But I'm old enough to recognize that different people draw those lines in different places and that people less conservative than me don't necessarily deserve to be viewed as bad actors. They certainly don't deserve to be tricked into committing a crime so that bored police officers have something to do.
It is still not yours, and it is not your decision to make.
Simple: you inform the police that you think that car has been abandoned, and you let them deal with it. You can't just jump-start it and drive away because you think it's abandoned.
In more tribal societies it's not uncommon that people have no notion of ownership, or that it's less transactional. People who steal who I have met generally believe that it's the fault of the victim to have left that item up for grab. Just to say that the notion is quite fluid between people.
School bus 6am with its blinking lights in Mountain View CA about 8 years ago my wife got pulled over for driving past (she slowed down but didn't stop and wait). So if this happened at 8 am it would have been kinda legit. This was at 6am where there are no kids outside, taking buses.
Entrapment?
Perhaps a school started early because of a special event? Perhaps a driver in training was making his rounds with an empty bus? You can't know. Don't try to water down reasonable traffic laws because you think you know better.
It's not entrapment, because no decent driver would be tempted to ignore a school bus with its blinkers on.
Suppose you're on a motorcycle, you come to a traffic light, and it's red. It's the middle of the night, there is no traffic, and the light will never turn green, because your motorcycle isn't heavy enough to trigger the sensor in the road.
This is a pretty common case. Do you need to leave the bike there until day comes and car traffic arrives to save you?
Why are you fearing being run over when walking along a red light?
In the case of Virginia, motorcycles and bicycles can proceed through the red light after the light cycles twice (skipping their lane) or two minutes. They still have to stop. They still have to yield the right of way.
You're not stuck in the school bus scenario unless the cops who put it there maliciously keep its blinkers on for an unreasonable amount of time until you do pull up again after stopping (which then might be classified as entrapment). rhacker's wife didn't stop.
So what? The argument I responded to didn't use any aspect of the school bus case. It was "You don't get to make the call. A stop sign means stop, so you have to stop."
And that argument is obviously bunk. A red traffic light also means stop; it is perfectly comparable to a stop sign.
please learn the rules
Personal gear exempted from this rule since Joes typically don't steal from other Joes unless they enjoy painful retribution.
The stereotypes about boots buying Dodge Chargers, Mustangs, Camaros and such on 21% interest rates are very real.
source: personal experience, former civilian military contractor
Compare that to a situation I just saw on a major highway. One state trooper driving exactly the speed limit in the passing lane. For at least 20 miles, he kept a dozen cars at a safe speed. Not to mention preventing any other unsafe driving. Sure, it only lasted 20 minutes from my point of view, but if he just drove around for a few hours in plain sight, that's a lot of cars driving safely. Sadly, it doesn't generate revenue.
When a cop is doing that pace car thing, the safest thing to do is just get off that road, at least for a few minutes, because all of those drivers will be paying more attention to their legality than to their safety. For 20 miles, that example cop kept a dozen cars bunched up together, afraid to pass.
It is likely that a pace car cop will pull someone over eventually anyway, so don't even spin that wheel of chance.
There are different theories of what "safe driving" is, and the one you subscribe to will affect your opinion of pace car policing.
But for ten months, you would have thought they were looking for a mass murderer by the way they were blanketing the area with fliers looking for any leads in the case.
(Unless there's a war, of course.)
- Dogs in parks
- Dogs off leash in dogs-allowed parks
- Dog poop infractions
- People in parks after dark
- Teenage parties
- Curfew enforcement
- Horribly bungling the case when something real and tragic does happen
What a world. What a world.
Me? I throw it in a city trash can.
Me, where I walk my dog he squats in the ditch between the pile of bear scat and the dead raccoon carcass. We lack the delicate sensitivities of sophisticated city dwellers.
And in the US, parents would face criminal charges for things Japanese parents routinely do, like sending their kids to the store alone. Unfortunately the US is filled with plusungood sexcriminals (citation needed) and weapons (price of freedom) so we can’t do it in the land of freedom.
Charlotte, NC or Mecklenburg County curfew age was 16 and under when I was growing up.
Also the 17 year old age restriction for "R" rated movies is a suggestion. I hope Regal Cinemas as a business continues dying off for changing their policy to be 18+ when I was 17, and then reverting their policy back to 17 when I turned 18. My stepfather would buy a ticket, escort all of us into the theater, walk back out to the ticket box, demand a refund for his ticket, and leave us to watch. Silliest company policy ever.
Suburban cops in Nazi Germany, Pinochet's Chile, or some such place?
Now in Indiana, supposedly one is supposed to be allowed out with parental permission, but I don't know if it is like this in the rest of the country or if places have re-written their juvenile curfew laws to account for this sort of thing.
In addition, folks on house arrest or parole often have curfews as well.
Truly land of the free.
I know because that was a shift taken after a few incidents of prostitution at night and unsavory hazardous litter prompted the change.
The alternatives are obvious (open but larger patrols at night to make it unsuitable) but that is more expensive for what is a fringe activity.
Well, it's not quite as cut and dry as that. There does seem to be some legitimate question on First Amendment right to peaceful assembly grounds. Much of the case law has generally upheld these ordinances, however it has shaped them so that municipalities have to be careful to construct the ordinances correctly.
...sale or use of prohibited substances.
...prostitution.
...homeless campsites.
...public intoxication or underage drinking.
...pretentious indie filmmaking.
...spray-paint tagging.
...logging.
...poaching.
...dumping.
...lewd behavior.
While some municipalities were forced to close parks at night, due to actual evidence of these activities, so the cops could move in and roust anyone they find, others preemptively closed their parks as cargo-cult ritual, hoping to prevent those activities from occurring in the first place.They are often disallowed as a result of dog owners not cleaning up after the dogs. Other considerations are whether horses are allowed in the park, if there is wildlife that is threatened by dogs, or if there are things like soccer fields that might be torn up by a dog.
> - Dogs off leash in dogs-allowed parks
Leash reactivity is real. Google it. Leaving your little Fluffy off-leash in an on-leash park is a recipe for disaster. I'm not a lawyer, but you'll probably be found liable if a fight starts out, even if the dog on leash 'starts it'.
> - Dog poop infractions
Good! Bag your poop. Carry it with you until you can dispose of it properly. And that doesn't mean using a private person's garbage without permission.
I had this conversation in a park with another dog owner just last night. The park has two spaces - a developed area where dogs are required to be on a leash, and an undeveloped area with trails through tall grass where dogs are allowed to be off-leash as long as they are responsive to their owners.
He was sitting on a bench on the developed trail, with his dog on the ground next to him, with no leash. No surprise, his dog lunged at mine as we walked by, and he couldn't comprehend why I was upset that he didn't have a leash handy for his dog. It's incredibly frustrating that folk can be so selfish and short-sighted.
I think the empirical evidence is soundly against the idea of people being lazy. People will always find stuff to do because almost no one likes rolling their thumbs all day.
Frameworks, frameworks everywhere.
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Where do you work?
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/06/22/national/media-...
RIP Patrice O'Neal.
I couldn't find a source for Japan, but the sources in a quick web search seemed to indicate so, generally based on government statistics: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=men+women+violent+crime+victim+rat...
>A 2013 global study on homicide by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime found that males accounted for about 96 percent of all homicide perpetrators worldwide.
The wiki speculates that this could be due to biological differences, such as men being much more willing to engage in risky behavior.
For example, the police probably can't do much to protect one drug dealer from another as both drug dealers are presumably trying to avoid the police (and the decision to legalise drugs is a political one not a police one).
So your analogy to the police discounting black on black crime isn’t correct.
Just because someone is subjected to violence from someone who shares some group characteristics doesn't mean it's not worth investigating or that he or she is somehow responsible for this violence.
A similar logic could be applied to black men on black men violence, to cite other answer that you got.
To push it further I what stops us from using the same reasoning to say that it's not worth investigating domestic violence in the case of same-race couple? In the end it's just whites hurting whites.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Jap...
She did. They did nothing. And I've got several other similar stories from other women I've known. There is a LOT of unreported domestic violence and sexual assault in Japan.
A large proportion of prosecutions in Japan rely on confessions, often obtained by duress. Even if only a small number of perpetrators (or innocent suspects) confess, taking only those cases to trail keeps the conviction rate high. The rate at which crimes are solved is somewhat lower -- less than 30% according to the article.
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-r... us has 27 rapes out of 100k citizens vs 13.5 in south korea vs only 1 in japan. that 13.5 is the highest rate among east asian countries. but south korea has the largest foreign population as a percentage of their population out of all the east asian countries. so this stereotype being pushed that east asia countries "hides" their crimes towards females is clearly not true.
these anecdotal comments you see on the internet may be leaving out the most important detail. are the perpetrators even a native east asian? putting a non-east asian in east asia does not make that person stop committing crimes.
The police know this and just wait there like a bear fishing for spawning salmon.
It seems so pointless. If the right turn is really a problem then mark it in such a way as to make compliance obvious. If not, then just allow it and stop enforcement.
At some point they added a little yellow light to indicate it was legal to turn. I was a little awestruck.
In the U.S. they'll need to sort out the opiate crisis which frankly is weird to see anyway because it's the corporations who are the drug barons.
Arguably Japan is rife with benzodiazepine abuse, several varieties of which can just be bought and consumed freely there.
The pressure to ban cannabis outright came from US influences when Japanese legislation was passed in 1948, meth infact is actually the most used illicit drug today.
In my native Norway, punishment for almost anything is quite mild including drug related crime. Yet drug usage is much lower than in the US.
We are all more similar to the US than Japan, being all derived from European culture.
Perhaps more importantly, the jails and prisons will empty.
Important to look at the whole picture. Even if we were to decriminalize all activity for all drugs, and assume 100% of drug crime inmates don't deserve to be there and should go free, it would nowhere near "empty" state and local prisons.
Also important to note that the vast majority of those incarcerated for drug crime are not in for possession, and even most people in jail for possession pleaded down from more serious charges.
They'll never get physical with you beyond getting really close in your personal space and trying to shake your hand, but if you don't acknowledge them and walk past them then they often don't even do that. Their target is young white male tourists with lots of cash who wanna get drunk and party with ladies.
https://www.ski.com.au/xf/threads/tokyo-warning-specific-typ...
In Vancouver, the police are on the front lines of helping the homeless / drug addicted / mentally ill population (there's a very large overlap between the three groups) access shelters and treatment.
[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/search?query=hong%20kong [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...
I will say, some of the crimes investigated seem to be a waste of time and money. for example > In one recent case, she says, they arrested a group of people who had shared the cost of renting a car, deeming the arrangement an illegal taxi.
and
> One woman describes how five officers crowded into her cramped apartment after she reported her knickers being swiped from a clothesline.
I hope there has been a push to use this manpower in other, better ways (such as how the article mentioned they were better handling domestic abuse).
This week the police intervened when the wife played music the husband didn't like, so he unplugged the radio. The police did not charge anyone since there was no physical violence...
Also some loose change was stolen from a car.
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They brought a bag lunch of sushi to the zoo, and sat down as a family to eat it at a picnic table. Shortly after they started eating their sushi, the parents proudly started drinking 24oz cans of Sapporo.
Yes, the Japanese tourists were violating American drinking laws by drinking in public!
(And, yes, I know that what they did is perfectly legal and culturally appropriate in Japan!)
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But in the case of the US, it usually is when the grass is the rest of the developed world, sadly.
After staying in Japan, there is no doubt that I would live there if I were Japanese. It is even a consideration as a non-Japanese.
Quality of life seems to be a lot better there, even if there aren't as many job opportunities.
You may think that but it's far from universal, including in the tech industry. [ADDED: The US does rank fairly low on average on the amount of vacation people take but Japan is as low or lower.]
This is less true for the newer generation, especially since they don't have full time jobs in the first place.
I spent a few years in Tokyo. Work hours were long, but there was strong morale and espirit de corps among my team. As a young person, it was bearable.
In Silicon Valley, hours were also long, but with none of the pride or loyalty I saw in Japan. For example, a manager would dump a huge task on my lap at 4:00pm, expect it done by the next morning, and then promptly leave me for the day. Eventually I learned how to defend my time, but I was a sucker for longer than I'd like to admit.
I'm in Sacramento now, and the vibe is different. The machine doesn't love me, but expectations are reasonable. Life is pretty great outside the office.
So it all depends on location, workplace, etc. The same is probably true in Japan.
For what it's worth, I have a Japanese spouse, and we could easily choose to live in either country. We choose the US for a variety of reasons. It's not an easy decision though, because Japan is a very nice country in a lot of ways.
* Compared to my in-laws in Japan, my parents here in the US are younger, more able, and far more supportive in general. We're getting way more help with our kids here than we would in Japan. We're getting more financial support. It's difficult to admit but it's a very simple truth.
* I have an older brother on the autistic spectrum who greatly benefits from having me nearby. And I'd probably need to take up his care if something happened to my parents, so it makes sense to be settled in the US.
* Our kids are biracial. Their social lives would probably be more difficult in Japan. Meanwhile, that's almost the norm where we live in California.
* My career prospects are far more open in the US. You definitely feel the "gaijin glass ceiling" when you're working in a Japanese company. This may be changing today. But it was very true back in the mid-00s.
* Likewise, my wife's career prospects are more promising in the US too. It's very difficult to get a salaried, high-paying job in Japan, especially as a woman, and especially as a person reentering the job market in middle age. That's not easy in America either, but not impossible like Japan. It would be a massive shame for her mind and education to go to waste. Japanese society is fucking this up badly.
* Today's Japan does not smile upon children. If you take your kids to a restaurant, or take them on the train, or really try to do anything with them in public, then grit your teeth. You're going to be surrounded by old people everywhere, and many will be shooting you evil glares. To simply have kids is to disrupt the harmony. I've literally seen public parks get shut down because old people living across the street couldn't tolerate the sound of kids laughing. This isn't specific to my having half-breed kids; I hear the same from almost everyone. We actually know a lot of Japanese families (several dozen) who are staying in America mostly for this reason, planning to go back after their kids grow up.
I loved living in Japan as an unencumbered young person. There are many things that Japan gets really right, like big city life, that's almost universally terrible in the US. When we go visit Japan, we come back kind of disgusted by America: there's trash everywhere, food is gross, certain neighborhoods are unsafe, every other person is obese, etc. Still, considering the above, the scales tip in favor of the US for us.
This is exactly how I feel when I return from the Japan. The same goes for coming back from Switzerland or Scandinavia. If more Americans traveled, they would probably be more upset about how terrible the US is compared to any other industrialized nation.
Maybe very small children. But in Japan, kids are pushed to walk themselves to school around 7 years old or so. Here in the US, parents would be arrested for that, and in a lot of places kids aren't allowed to be outside unsupervised at all.
>That's not easy in America either, but not impossible like Japan. It would be a massive shame for her mind and education to go to waste.
Aren't there a fair number of foreign companies now operating in Japan? This might be a possible solution to this for some people.
>Compared to my in-laws in Japan, my parents here in the US are younger, more able, and far more supportive in general. We're getting way more help with our kids here than we would in Japan.
I thought it was much more common in Asian cultures for grandparents to help with the kids. In fact, looking at many of the home plans in Japan, I noticed that many houses are specifically designed so that a younger couple with kids can live with their parents; the parents get their own floor or side of the house, to provide some privacy to both sides, but it's very easy to go from one side to the other. In America, people just don't live near their parents much any more because people (I'm talking college-educated people here, like the HN crowd) move around the country so much for work.
My kids are 6 and 4, so this has been our experience. We're not alone. In Japan, you're not even allowed to take your kids to the park supervised in a lot of places now, unless your kids just sit on a bench and finger their phones. No fun is allowed.
> Aren't there a fair number of foreign companies now operating in Japan? This might be a possible solution to this for some people.
It's more possible in some lines of work than others. Don't forget we're talking about a woman. Sexism is deep in Japan. Why deal with all of that when chances are so much more accessible elsewhere?
> I thought it was much more common in Asian cultures for grandparents to help with the kids.
I'd bet this is usually true, but it just doesn't apply in our case. My family in the US is super close and awesome. Her family in Japan is not.
I'm not making excuses for why we don't live in Japan. Like I said, we have papers and we could return tomorrow. We could make it work. But our lives in the US are good. There's no great reason to leave.
Everything I've read about Japan says that kids routinely walk themselves to school, take public transit all over the city by themselves, etc.
However, this is of course talking about kids who are older than 4 or 6, probably more like 7-8+. I haven't read anything about what parenting 4-year-olds is like there, just that your typical 10-year-old is quite independent, unlike here in the US where you will really get arrested in some places if your 10yo is at the local park alone, or in other places the cops will bring him back home and give you a lecture about stranger danger.
>Don't forget we're talking about a woman. Sexism is deep in Japan. Why deal with all of that when chances are so much more accessible elsewhere?
That's a pretty easy thing to answer for anyone: emigrating is hard, and it's a really hard thing to leave your home country and culture you grew up in and try to make it someplace else. This is true for any human. It's especially true if you're going to a country where the language and culture are especially alien to you. (i.e., emigrating from UK to US isn't that hard; we have the same language and similar culture. Emigrating from Japan to US is a huge, huge change.)
On top of that, other countries have their problems too. US is an extremely violent country with a 3rd-world-level murder rate, an almost non-existent public transit system, a shockingly expensive healthcare system, and a rather low ranking on any quality-of-life index compared to other industrialized nations.
>I'd bet this is usually true, but it just doesn't apply in our case.
Of course, individual experiences can be very different than national norms. It's too bad her family isn't more involved.
My wife is an ethnic Japanese citizen who grew up in Japan and speaks Japanese perfectly, with a Japanese college education and strong Japanese work experience in her field. It's still far easier for her to get a good job here in the US. This isn't some theoretical assumption. This happened!
She's lived here for a combined thirteen years. She speaks excellent English. We've already moved back and forth between US and Japan a couple times. Emigration is a massive PITA but it's not like a soul-altering, deep-grit odyssey for us at this point. Not sure what this has to do with sexism.
Yes, young kids commute to school alone in Japan. They're also not allowed to have fun, make sudden movements, or whisper in public without scorn. It's not a healthy environment.
What I did notice about Japan, compared to the US, was that it seemed like I could do just about anything there as long as it wasn't illegal. I might get stares of disapproval, but it seems like the society has a strong attitude of minding one's own business, and a pretty severe case of non-confrontationalism (sorry, I made that word up) whereas here in the US you can get nasty comments from random people if they don't like something about you, especially in the "friendly" South. So there seems to be a strong culture of conformity enforced by silence and expecting people to know social norms, but then you see some people acting out in various ways, like dressing really crazily, but everyone just ignores it. Of course, there's also the subways where no one talks (very unlike the US), but I can see the reason for that due to the crowding and it's actually pretty nice IMO, as people on the DC Metro get really loud at times.
Of course emigration isn't a soul-altering odyssey for you, because you're a couple with one person from each country. Getting adjusted to any country is 100x easier when you're married to someone who grew up there. Try moving to Congo or Saudi Arabia and see how easy you find that trek.
None of this has anything to do with sexism, to address your comment, I'm just talking about what I've seen and read about kids, and trying to understand your experience. From everything I see about raising kids in the US, it's pretty horrible, and I cannot imagine why anyone would want to do it, though it probably varies a lot from place to place. I grew up in the US of course, but it absolutely was not like it is now; when I grew up, kids could and routinely did roam around without adults, but that was decades ago before helicopter parenting became the norm.
Basically it sounds good until you realize that kind of power starts to self select for the kind of people it wants to succeed.
Whereas now, instead, the US finally has the sort of society and power structures it deserves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Tweed
Boss Tweed was elected to the US Congress in 1853. Irish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Smith
Al Smith was four time Governor of New York and Democratic nominee for President in 1928. Irish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pastore
John Pastore was Governor of Rhode Island from 1945-1950 and Senator from 1950-1976. Italian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Kleczka
The first Polish American was elected to Congress in 1918.
But I can see upsides, sure. (in a totally different economy and back in the 1980s securing my first home lone in Australia with my partner) I actually liked knowing my bank manager was a person who understood my drives and motivations. The shame was he was late stage career, retired and was replaced by a robot functionary with different KPI.
Kabukicho has a lot of very expensive girls bars, but that $600 you didn't realize you spent wasn't a crime… probably. Minami-senju looks more like the Tenderloin.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_wrath_of_khan/3799825607/i...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/special-report...
Oh yeah Japan is crawling with US developers trying to get a decent salary, compared to the pittance they'd receive in a US tech center.
We are all long-term pretty fucked as long as we have institutions devoted to our worst selves. As another commenter said, we need to incentivize better behavior if we want it...
In adulthood it didn't take too many encounters with actual police to realise that they don't see their purpose the same way AT ALL.
We need fewer police, less segregation, and more wealth distributed to more people. When people don't need to struggle to get what they need, they trust their neighbors and productive social relationships are possible.
* Just today I learned about an incident where the Philly police literally bombed a residential neighborhood in 1985 "like Vietnam": https://mashable.com/2016/01/10/1985-move-bombing/
First and foremost, their job is to police society on behalf of whoever is in charge here. They don’t answer to just anyone, they answer to the people that sign their paychecks, and while on some level that might be you or I when we pay our taxes, it is actually the local Chief of Police, who in turn is paid by the Mayor or whatever the local executive body is, who in turn has his own ambitions which are balanced against the interests of his constituents. But since he is only human, his ambitions generally win out whenever and however possible.
In every city in every century, you’ve had an upper class, a working class and a dissatisfied class. Some members of the upper class might be less than satisfied because they’re not the mofo in charge today. Some members of the working class might be dissatisfied because they just got stiffed by whoever writes their checks and they went home to find another guy in bed with their wife. In either case, the police might be a nice cudgel to have, but it isn’t always the best one for the job at hand.
Members of the dissatisfied class are professionally dissatisfied for lack of any other profession. The police are around to deal with them and any dodgy looking outsiders that wander into town. If a rich aristocrat has a well paid job for them or their good buddy from the bakery down the road needs help teaching an adulterous woman and her last night’s partner a lesson, the police are absolutely there to help “you”. Otherwise their business is that of policing society and enforcing some codes of conduct. They might be common things that people do, don’t do and their common expectations as to what happens when they do or don’t do those things; or codified on some stone tablets for all of civilization to see; or simply a canonical list of vices and virtues. Either way, it’s a good stick to beat the dissatisfied with and someone needs to do it.
Social work isn’t police work, police work is preventing the complete breakdown of society by the judicious application of the State’s monopoly on violence over a sufficiently large area.
If you're a criminal come to NZ. You can rob any shop you want, no one has guns, and police departments won't bother with you even if the victims have your face on camera.
Also a lot of wealthy americans tend to fetishize New Zealand as a place they can 'escape' to every time a republican becomes president - so maybe this ruins the image they have of it.
Where do you live that you fear for your safety in public? Even in Otara you won't run into trouble in public.
Shop owners not having guns is a good thing. The last thing we need is an escalating arms race between shop owners and criminals. Violence begets violence.
Considering you don't know where you live, how do you know what I am saying isn't true?
Where do you live that you fear for your safety in public? Even in Otara you won't run into trouble in public.
Have you lived in Otara? Or have you just been there a few times, found you weren't immediately beaten up, and decided it was an alright place?
If you're an Aucklander I consider Auckland CBD a pretty safe place, big police presence. But even then you have endemic violence problems, ie asian students getting mugged in that park outside Auckland Uni.
Shop owners not having guns is a good thing. The last thing we need is an escalating arms race between shop owners and criminals. Violence begets violence.
Petrol station and dairy robbings are common, usually for cigarettes. People would absolutely think twice if they were armed and could legally defend themselves.
And yet just today the NZ Police were touting how they are now identifying and nabbing 2/3rds of dairy (translation: convenience store) robbers. Doesn't sound like the best odds to me.
Just walk into any Japanese business or local government office and the giant stacks of documents and rows of office ladies will make any knowledge-worker have an aneurism at the obvious inefficiencies. But very little (outside of the car industry, maybe) is about being efficient. It's about being "stable". Not that I agree with this at all, it's just my cynical take based on the interactions I've had.
Germany for instance, if city hall in Berlin had to deal with the same number of cases per day that city halls in Tokyo have to deal with they would conpletely shut down.
Let me clarify: yes, the turn-around time and quality of service is good in Japan. But the input costs are very high manpower AND absolutely astronomical paper consumption. My assertion is that at the very least the consumables costs could be reduced, in the long run, by switching to things like fillable PDF forms, with little or no degradation in quality of service. Japan is a perfect place for PDF forms because there is already a form for almost everything, and there really don't seem to be "edge cases" too often. I should be able to fill in my information at a kiosk and the document gets digitally signed by the reviewing employee (because the government workers should have CACs with digital certificates), and it goes into a file server.....instead of onto a bookshelf. Then you also don't need to allocate manpower to manually transport boxes of documents once a season to the "head office" either.
My point was that just because Japanese processes look inefficient they aren't necessarily so.
You can get a lot of stuff printed out and processed by the Tokyo city halls in a matter of minutes (they look up your details in a DB). They also have a lot of paper piles, but that hasn't affected my experience.
1. Lack of Internet services. This may be hindered by lack of national strong authentication? I'm not German national so not sure what the pain point there is.
2. Paper based. The paper is the document, instead of being a representation of a fact. I'm not used to storing paper. I assume this is also at least a partial reason to the astronomical side costs of apartment purchases.
3. Lack of communication between authorities. Granted, this may be by design as a privacy guarantee. Regardless, taking a paper from one place to another is inefficient. I'm used to, say, banks reporting my capital income to the tax office without me having to work as a useless mediator.