People make incorrect assumptions about their opposing political party
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I bet on a lot of issues it would be really easy to find large national agreements if the parties didn’t sabotage them for tactical reasons.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately, explicitly not thinking seems to be the end goal for a lot of people, based on my own (potentially circumstantial) experience. A large percentage of people don't seem to find joy in thinking or thinking about thinking. It seems to be viewed as work, which is to be avoided when possible. Optimizing for the lest amount of mental work, basically, which your amygdala will graciously step in to provide emotional reactions that "feel right".
May at least explain why or how things seem to err in that direction.
I'm not sure if there's any biological evidence to support what I just said, but I do get the strong impression that critical thinking is like exercise: some people do it more, and it gets easier for them, so they do it more, and so on. But for most people it's just a drag and they don't like it, they'd rather do other things.
WRT people changing their perspective because of party ... I suspect this is just a mental shortcut. The left and right exist because they summarise deeply held intuitions about human nature. The positions held by each side do follow logically from those intuitions, but sometimes it needs thought to see why, and it's of the rather subtle often semi-sub-conscious type of thinking that most would rather not do. So it may make perfect sense to change opinion if you learn your party has changed its opinion - if you think that your party of choice has got basically the right idea about the world in broad strokes, then it's a nice time-saving assumption that they thought more about any individual issue than you did, and you'd probably agree with them if you thought harder.
I really don't think so. For example (all of these apply to the supporters of the left/right, and not the people actually in power, because who know what they actually believe/support, vs. what is just political dealings), "how can you be against the death penalty, but pro-abortion" - but then, the opposite stance makes just as little sense. For another example, the US left used to be anti-globalization, but now they are banging the free-trade drum, while the US right is flirting with protectionism. Or compare LGBT support on the left today, with their persecution under most communist governments in the past. Then there is the Christian US right that mostly ignores Jesus' rather socialist teachings, while the mostly non-Christian left is in a hurry to bring them up. Unions used to be (still are?) anti-immigration, and kind of a left-wing thing?, while the left is pro-immigration. Environmentalism and animal welfare were right-wing positions in Nazi Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany), while now they're left-wing ones, and the right tends to ignore/oppose them.
If I knew more about politics in Asia, Africa, or South America, I bet I could come up with lots of other examples where the positions of their local left/right differ from those in the US/Europe.
Point is, the positions are driven group affiliation, not logic - historically, it was far more important to be in the right group, than to be correct.
Where's the inconsistency in the opposite stance, supporting death for murderers and opposing it for the innocent unborn?
That's not my personal position but it seems perfectly reasonable to treat those two groups differently.
I personally don't see an inconsistency with this original belief either, when you include the belief that a soul/conciousness is only created later on, e.g. during birth.
"how can you be against the death penalty, but pro-abortion"
People who are pro-abortion don't consider it to be murder, but rather just a normal medical operation done for the benefit of the mother. Whereas the death penalty - or really any harsh punishments at all - is perceived as being "nasty", brutish, uncivilised etc.
compare LGBT support on the left today, with their persecution under most communist governments in the past
Putting my flame-retardant suit on for a moment, the reality is that if you scratch the surface, the left hasn't changed at all in this regard.
A key tenant of leftist intuition is that the world can be perceived through the lens of identity group oppressions. It's always been this way since Marx: he was obsessed with the perceived bourgeoisie oppression of the proletariat (capitalists vs the working class). Hence communists being so frequently anti-semitic, as Marx perceived Jews as being intrinsically bourgeoisie.
Now LGBT oppression wasn't a communist thing - all societies considered homosexuality to be taboo up until incredibly recently, it's been one of societies most stable taboos - most likely due to higher STD rates amongst homosexuals, and inability to create a family. That was a much bigger deal in times before state pensions, when children were the primary way to be supported in old age.
The switch then is simple enough - the modern left is obsessed with the perceived oppression of LGBT by white middle aged men. The important thing is not exactly which group is being oppressed by which other group; the important thing is that oppression is happening and must be stopped. The fall of the USSR and rise of Chinese manufacturing did huge damage to the idea of capitalists vs the working class being the fundamental division in society. The disappearance of the taboo against homosexuality as STD rates fell and social security rose, caused the old division to be seamlessly replaced with "white men vs women and minorities". Same old, same old.
the Christian US right that mostly ignores Jesus' rather socialist teachings, while the mostly non-Christian left is in a hurry to bring them up
Interesting example. I've not thought of Jesus as a socialist before. If you mean "love thy neighbour", that's not socialism, that's old fashioned charity - and conservatives generally give more to charity, if I recall studies correctly. Or which things said by Jesus do you mean?
Unions used to be (still are?) anti-immigration, and kind of a left-wing thing?, while the left is pro-immigration
Unions represent the 'old left' and must do structurally, because their goal is to represent the financial interests of their members: blue collar labour, mostly. But this doesn't always hold true. Unions in the UK financially support Labour, which is stuffed with pro-EU MPs and which just came out in favour of a second referendum (i.e. trying to cancel Brexit). Given the choice, they preferred to support mass immigration of low wage workers, than be ideologically disloyal.
The idea of immigration as inherently positive is a somewhat recent development. Marx had nothing to say on the topic and actual communist states only ever had problems stopping people leaving, not arriving. However we can see that it's plenty logical from a perspective of moral reasoning without regard to costs - poor people live in poor countries where wages are low. We don't know how to make wages rise in those countries but if they come here their wages/standard of living will go up a lot automatically. So it's immoral to stop people coming here and benefiting that way.
Environmentalism and animal welfare were right-wing positions in Nazi Germany
Left and right have got completely messed up in any discussion of the third Reich. We're told by academics that Nazi Germany was far right, but this doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Consider how many similarities there are between the regimes of Hitler and Stalin (who was uncontroversially ultra-hard left). Both hated jews. Both put people in concentration camps. Both explicitly expansionist. Both obsessed with identity politics (racial for Hitler, class based for Lenin). Both dictatorships with no love of democracy. Both with heavy state control of industry.
Now compare that against the world's most right-wing country by general consensus, the USA. Everything I listed above is the exact opposite of modern American values: no concentration camps, democratic, "the American dream" of social mobility regardless of identity group or class, and so on.
The Nazis being environmentalists fits perfectly well if you simply discard what you're told and evaluate the ideological position of that regime independently.
However, I feel like I'm in the minority. Apparently ~30% of people on each side stick with their party, and even more tend to prefer a specific party. I feel like a lot of people don't even really understand the key issues and vote more based on habit/loyalty than anything else.
Aside from referring people to political quizzes like isidewith, I'm really not sure what I can do. I personally thought it was interesting that my results put candidates from 3 different parties in the top 5 matches, and none of them were either of the two major candidates in 2016.
I think the authors of the study and the author of this article are measuring something completely different than what they think they're measuring. Although the questions are geared towards measuring specific traits (wealthy repub, or LGBTQ dem), I think what the study participants are actually estimating are the support network "power" for those ideals. I would bet if you rephrased the questions to:
>"What percentage of Republicans would go along with wealthy Republican leadership decisions?"
and
>"What percentage of Democrats would go along with LGBTQ leadership decisions?"
...you would get similar percentages to the original questions. I would argue that the participants are naturally estimating the social power of the ideals in question, because it's a more useful metric, and I would make the argument that humans (on average) are really good at estimating that particular thing because it's what we've been optimizing for for the last few thousand years with investments, fashion, war, and innovation.
Wow, really? I'm not your average Democrat.
How about this though: Do you believe that of people making more than $250,000 most are Republican?
And: Do you believe that among those that identify as LGBQT most are Democrat?
For income, you have this graph, partitioned into <$20,000/y, $39,000-$62,000/y, and >$102,000/y.
https://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2012/09/pm-repsndems/gr-pm...
For LGB you have: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/25/lesbian-gay...
Neither one lines up exactly with the parent's questions but this should give you an idea.
Mentioning motive attribution asymmetry, and committing it in the very next sentence - hilarious. I dare say those people don't detest 'classically liberal values', but US foreign policy and influence (such as imposing seed patent law on invaded countries).
Of course this policy isn't driven by the US people as a whole, but by a handful of special interests. But it is very convenient for them to use the US as a shield, and remain discreet themselves.
That said, I can't really disagree with the rest of the article.
Wow.
The problematic effects of education don't surprise me at all though. I've felt for a while that more education seemed to make people somehow less intelligent in some strange, hard to define way.
I think it's partly that people's defences are down - they think "I have a PhD so I couldn't possibly be manipulated or misled, unlike the plebs who left school at 16".
It may also be due to people with higher education being more willing to uncritically accept anything said by 'experts' (i.e. their academic peers), without being willing to double check it against common sense or man-on-the-street reasoning. I've noticed that people with less education - we probably shouldn't call it worse education, given these findings - are much more willing to reject statements by academics if they're counterintuitive or seem to contradict lived experience. Whereas people with doctorates almost never do, regardless of how bizarre or absurd the claims being made are. Journalists likewise seem to be more likely to fall for bad science than they once were and I wonder if that's due to journalists always having degrees, these days.
This is perhaps one of the problems leading to the replication crisis.
If readers are educated, isn't then that news are shit?
-scare headlines in huge print, often of minor news
- lavish use of pictures, or imaginary drawings
-use of faked interviews, misleading headlines, pseudoscience, and a parade of false learning from so-called experts
-emphasis on full-color Sunday supplements, usually with comic strips
-dramatic sympathy with the "underdog" against the system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism
It emerged with discussing collectivism vs. individualism. We know who lost (i.e. 1989). Some people want to forget and rehash this stupidity. It's not clear if they understand that these ideas mean "war." When I retire in ~15 years I just want to catch fish with barb-less hooks, but the lunatics are making that prospect unlikely.
These surveys are called "ideological turing tests" by the way. They usually find that conservatives understand leftists much better than the other way around, which is an interesting finding by itself.
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards the 2020 presidential election?
All the talk about Trump's racism, Nazi immigration officials, etc..., just makes the democrats look desperate considering his policies aren't much different than Clinton's in the 90's. His economic policies would have been considered orthodox in the 70's and 80's. The Democrats wasted years trying to come up with some sort of Russian link which they haven't proven and which frankly, I don't think anyone cares about.
And it's all quite ridiculous considering Obama continued most of Bush's policies. He extended the Patriot Act, didn't shut down Guantanamo, killed people abroad with drones, detained and deported migrants. The absurd angle the democrats are taking with Trump is going to lead them to another defeat, as they're diluting their message by being so extreme. Trump makes everything about himself, the Democrats reinforce it, and it's impossible to see anyone from the Dem side challenging him.
I'm an American living abroad and was as shocked as anyone when Trump was elected. The racism/xenophobia and pseudo-intellectual far-right rhetoric is more vocal than it has ever been before and that does have a lot to do with Trump. It should be making it painfully easy to get Trump out of office in the coming election and yet somehow the Democrats seem to think we should continue down the weird neoliberal path of the past. Just start speaking in a language that blue collar workers can understand... that's it. Nothing fancy. But for some reason it's just not happening.
I'm 100% certain that they suck. I don't even need to listen to them or read their documents. It's just axiomatic.
For instance, with recent gerrymandering decisions from the Supreme Court, and Mitch McConnell’s blocking of bipartisan election security funding, it is easy to infer that a majority of Republican representatives in many elected bodies are against fair elections.
I doubt that many voters are against the right to have their votes counted fairly.
(I’ve been complaining about election security for twenty years, but this issue has become a political game since 2016.)
Or longer. For me, personally, it was the "hanging chads" in 2000 that forced me to consider how insecure our elections are.
I'm currently reading The Sword And The Shield The Mitrokhin Archive And The Secret History Of The KGB and they have been at this for over 100 years. It's ~700 pages, mostly dry, but completely revealing.