There is no centralized database for EU citizens photos or fingerprints (not even at national level in many countries).
"The database will aggregate the details of more than 350 million people, including their identifying information, such as names, passport number, dates of birth, as well as biometrics like fingerprints and facial scans."
https://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/3074472/eu-parliament-v...
Do we really believe we ca trust these groups with this data?
This is like the Vogons justifying blowing up a planet because the paperwork was filed years ago.
It’s not about the details. It’s about trust in institutions and I’m pretty sure we can see we should have none with these official bodies and the corporate buddies they give our work away to
This was an announced intention in April this year. The implementation of this decision probably needs further approvals and ratifications, and even after that, it takes time. The source material does not even exist, and I expect that in some EU countries collecting this data of all citizens will not be possible due to country legislation. Thus this is certainly far from complete, if even started at all.
It's safe to say that there is no database of 350 million EU citizens' fingerprints that anyone could copy.
This is like the police refusing to respond to death threats until the person is dead.
> So we should wait until every one's details are leaked before deciding this is a bad idea because it will inevitably leak?
In mine, the police has the picture and fingerprints of everyone older than 12 years old and any younger person that needed an ID card for whatever reason, travelling being just one.
Maybe that information has been shared with that database, maybe it hasn't. I have no way of knowing. Other EU countries have the same level of information about their citizens (and some record even more data).
Can we simply agree that what the UK has done is bad, should be investigated and, if true, the people resposible should face charges for it? Or should we spend days arguing about what information might/might not have been copied and how many people have been afected?
No useful discussion can result from comments like this.
In this case Spain hasn't done anything wrong (the data gathering for the id cards was done before entering the EU and complies with EU's regulations[0]). Other EU countries gather less or more data according to their specific legislations.
The country in question here is the UK and, to a lesser extent, the US. Specifics about other EU countries are, IMHO, irrelevant.
[0] Another question, for a different discussion, is if they should record all that data.
I simply mean that the claim about fingerprints of 350 M EU citizens copied cannot be true.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-fingerprints/fingerprin...
When you apply for visa for Schengen countries, your info will be recorded on SIS. And stored there for 5 years.
Note: EU uses the term "3rd world country" term themselves and Im citizen of one of those countries.
First world = US + close allies Second world = USSR + close allies Third world = Everybody else
https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/observatories/eurwork/indust...
I understand not all EU citizens were in the database.
There's also the issue of "copied to US", which was not demonstrated. It's really hard to keep all the US companies out of the SIS when you are using an Oracle database.
I would put it like this: "UK made illegal copies of classified personal information from the Schengen Information System"
What’s more interesting to me is in the Tweet: UK made illegals copies of hundreds of millions of people’s data (since you were mostly hung up on that, I qualified it better).
Are you seeing the interesting takeaway?
I see this as more of a security issue than a privacy issue. The data in the SIS is mostly about law enforcement, meaning that a leak would expose that a person is wanted (some of the person searches are undercover, and the data also covers a person's aliases - so if a "bad" person has access to the data it can react) and also, the SIS data is a "living" organism - using a copy (snapshot) of the data in a law enforcement activity is actually unlawful - if the snapshot is old it means that you cannot find a person that was added yesterday and also that you will find a person that was "cleared" yesterday.