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> They are supporting and funding the Houthis in Yemen who are responsible for the civil war and attacks on Saudi Arabia and Gulf states. They are supporting, funding and arming Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza, both of which are recognized terrorist groups intent on murdering Jews.

Saudi does the same, by arming the opposite side.

> Finally, Iran hangs gays from cranes.

There are right wing fanatics in the "West" who openly are against LGBTQ, trolling them IRL and on social media. Some, calling for violence as well. Pushing those people to depression or cornering them in society, is as worse as hanging them.

> They are responsible for historical attacks on US forces in Lebanon during the 80s which killed hundreds of Americans

Like the US warship that blew up a civilian airliner and the officers who got medals for that?

Whatever you said about Iran, is applicable to the other side as well. There are no "good guys" or "bad guys" here. So, everyone has blood on their hands one way or the other.

The west should practice what it preaches to the word, not pick and choose.

You don't want yet another Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya or Syria situation. Let the people of the nation decide their fate.

I for one, don't believe in any religion and it should have no place in this world. Many problems might go away.

"There are right wing fanatics in the "West" who openly are against LGBTQ, trolling them IRL and on social media. Some, calling for violence as well. Pushing those people to depression or cornering them in society, is as worse as hanging them."

Go find yourself some Iranian expat friends and ask them what it's really like to live under the rule of Mullahs, then come back and check if your moral relativism has taken a turn.

I know that Iran is worse, but the West is no saint either, with the atrocities it does around the world. Your country/government is always good when you're not on its bad side. Same goes for mine as well.

> [...] is as worse as hanging them

> I know that Iran is worse

Which one is it?

Do you ask which is worse of the two?

I was asking if you think it's equally bad for gay people in Iran and the west, or worse in Iran. Your first statement sounded like you think it's no better in the west, and the second one like you think Iran is worse.

I said worse overall like its laws, how religion restricts people, censorship & the proxy wars.

Parent made the wrong argument.

First, the Iranian state does not have a policy of finding and murdering gay people. You'll note that basically all press reports of the execution of homosexuals ultimately refer to acts of rape, possibly statutory. The argument, roughly, would be that this is a pretense, and certainly, Iran's legal system is very flawed, its laws regressive and offenses such as "enmity against god" ill-defined. Nevertheless, they are not ISIS, and merely being homosexual is not a crime.

Second, if you want to morally justify sanctions based on the idea of improving LGBT rights in Iran, find at minimum some evidence that there is significant percentage of those people in Iran who would welcome them.

Third, Saudi Arabia (see [0]). The west simply has no, absolutely no leg to stand on when it comes to the human rights argument. It is blatantly obvious that Iran could continue as it does with regard to its treatments of minorities, so long as it stops opposing our geopolitical interests, and starts to provide some benefits instead.

To summarize, this is not an issue of moral relativism. This is an issue of dishonesty and jingoism.

[0] https://www.out.com/news/2019/4/29/saudi-arabia-kills-5-afte...

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