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Its an ongoing war. Just without bullets. My concern is that people will see him mention things like censorship and for them that will justify an invasion that results in mass killing and destruction.

Does anyone know exactly what sort of actual submission they are looking for from Iran? I really don't believe its about nuclear development.

I hope that any Iranians who can get out will get out.

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It might be about Strait of Hormuz which is a strategic point [1]. Iran and Oman want to have full control over their coastal waters, but "civilized world" doesn't want that because in that case they could for example forbid entering Persian gulf to warships of specific countries, or for merchant ships. So the civilized world wants Iran to play by their rules.

Quote from Wikipedia:

> A third of the world’s liquefied natural gas and almost 20% of total global oil consumption passes through the strait, making it a highly important strategic location for international trade.

Here is another quote from [2]:

> The United States under Ronald Reagan imposed new sanctions in 1987 after Iran's actions from 1981-1987 against U.S. and other shipping vessels in the Persian Gulf and support for terrorism.

Also Iran is a rich and large country with 80M population that could take a leadership in the region unless stopped by sanctions.

But that is my personal opinion not confirmed by any proofs.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Hormuz

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran

Iranian living in the U.S. here.

During Obama it was:

We will choke you to death unless you give up your nuclear ambitions.

Now it is:

We will choke you to death unless you shoot yourself in the head.

U.S. is bullying Iran right now and people are starving to death. All because of a partisan issue. Unbelievable.

Nothing has been learned since the 50s it would seem. Unbelievable indeed.

Do you think it is a partisan issue or do you think it has to do with long term military strategy such as the Strait and fossil fuels? My guess would be they essentially want total military submission, something like a base inside the country.

AIPAC has a great influence in both parties.

And don't forget the military industrial complex and its influence to break the peace and sell more weapons.

AIPAC has influence because politicians wants perception of an ally to ”defend” and so have better support for their policies. This is not about real genuine support for Israel.

Well I don't really have any insider knowledge but it seems that Republicans didn't want Democrats to have this win therefore didn't pass it in the congress and there was a ton of propaganda against it.

Trump, riding on the wave of propaganda, just called it the worst deal ever only to have something to criticize Obama's foreign policy over.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/05/mike-pompeo-speech-12...

These were USA's 12 demands from Iran, and this is Iran's response[2]. Iran has sort of colonized Iraq and Syria, similar to how it has control over Lebanon using Hezbollah. IRGC even recently announced Syria as their 35th province. This video from 6 yrs back captured from a killed Iranian Journalist in Syria gives a clear picture of IRGC's actions in Syria.

https://youtu.be/ZI_88ChjQtU?t=868

I have linked the video at a timestamp where an IRGC soldier says how the Arabs who are living in that village aren't humans, but watch the whole video, it is good. So what is happening is Iran/IRGC is using the Shia identity to get poor and oppressed Shia people from Afghan/Pakistan with a promise of citizenship in Iran, to wage a war against Arabs and Israel. There is also a war going in Southern border of Saudi with the Houthi of Yemen, supported by Hezbollah/Iran[1]. So Saudi and Israel are concerned with this, and using their support from the current Trump administration, they are trying to get Iran to act.

[1] https://twitter.com/lcmporter/status/1152880775580258304

[2] https://twitter.com/FareedZakaria/status/1152647222586036224

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