My Journey from Free Market Ideologue, Part 5: Commercial Development
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I suppose it's some sort of market failure that municipalities are allowed to basically kick the can down the road, building ever more infrastructure without the revenue to sustain it, but that's generally not at all what people mean when they talk about market failures, is it?
As I said, I love this series, and he sounds right about everything, but calling it a journey from free market ideology seems odd, since most of the issues he has are with governments making bad investment decisions (unless I'm completely misreading this). If they were companies they would have gone out of business and lost their ability to make such bad decisions (hopefully, if not, that would also be a market failure). It just seems odd to describe actions by governments as actions by market participants when the line is usually drawn between government actors and market participants.
Originally he believed that we had a well-functioning free market, and that everything that got built was just the market expressing consumer preferences. Over time he (and I and many others) began to realize that the system was not a functioning free-market at all, but rather a strange amalgam of layers of public policy and social engineering with really bad side effects.
This isn’t super easy to see because it’s hidden in a bunch of cultural stuff we just take for granted. Things like how so many postwar neighborhood have 40’ wide paved streets with curb and gutter, sewer, and buried utilities. That must be because it’s practical and affordable, right? But when you really dig into it you find that the homes lining that street don’t even pay a meaningful fraction of the maintenance cost of that infrastructure... so where does the money come from? That turns out to be very opaque and hard to answer. (You can read about it here: https://www.strongtowns.org/the-growth-ponzi-scheme)
And so on. So as we began to figure this stuff out, we built Strong Towns to share what we were finding and try and get a lot more people to look at it in their own communities so we could figure out how widespread these phenomena were, and start to figuring out what to do about it. That journey is still in progress.
I'm not super familiar with Strong Towns, but I really appreciate the work that's gone into it and I'm definitely going to read more.
As for the hidden costs, it reminds me of assessments in HOAs and condo associations. Once infrastructure starts to age, it can become unbelievably expensive to perform even basic maintenance, as you mention. In instances where the people who live in a place are responsible for way more of the costs themselves, the picture starts to look a lot less rosy!
I guess my issue with the free market vs not free market framing is that, while I agree completely with you that the system in not a functioning free market at all, the title of the series implies that we need to move away from a free market? But then, as you say, the system is already not that. I don't have much of an opinion one way or another, besides believing that this sort of financial analysis is very important.
Thank you for taking the time to respond!
In particular, it points out that the free market had already failed the people in the community. The remedy, essentially government financial incentives to business, was the only thing that made enterprise possible. But since the whole system innately runs at a loss for the comunity, a harsh future reckoning arises.
So it points to a possible deep flaw in our economic system and underling assumptions that simple theories obviously do not explain.
After all, one should believe the simplest working explanation, but certainly no simpler. The complete confidence in completely unfettered markets is apparently overly simplistic. Likewise, some forms of business incentives are counter productive.
This is why sociologist mostly clump all the ism (capitalism, socialism, etc) into religion. They work within the same framework.
If someone said "give all the poor people money to improve the life of a rich person who owns thousands of hotels" you would trhow that person out of the window. Now dress it in the complex Myths, which the article tries to unwrap, and everyone buys!
From the city's perspective, they have to at least cover their expenses. Infrastructure may be an acceptable place for them to have a net loss as long as it's made up somewhere else in the budget, but municipal infrastructure investment should not viewed as a means of maintaining solvency in and of itself.
Considered in the author's perspective, a municipality differs from a for-profit company only in that it also has the responsibility to provide services that are not otherwise profitable; in short, they coerce their residence to pay for things - by force if necessary.
If it were profitable to run a $7m (or $13m, as it turned out) infrastructure project to support a proposed airport business park, then why would the government need to do it? Why wouldn't the developer of the business park do it?
If the wasted money was taken from taxes that were taken from the market, can we really say the market grew? It sounds like the business center project shrunk the economy overall.
>At this point in my life, I was a self-described free-market Republican with an outspoken passion for markets and my chosen profession of civil engineering, which to me was a technical way to say “city building.” If I had been pushed to reconcile my rejection of congestion pricing with my support for the free market, I would have had no problem. I would have said something like:
> Markets are about the expression of personal preference. It was clear that, since most people drove automobiles, auto-based infrastructure was the clear market preference. Since most people lived in single-family homes, they were also the clear market preference. Given those clear and obvious preferences—combined with the fact that people paid taxes and expected the government to respond to their desires—charging people more for something they already paid for was a ploy to benefit the rich. Instead of congestion pricing, the state should have been building more capacity.
Not to be the guy that always jumps in to defend the market, but it sounds like this business park was a case of the government throwing away money and using the market to decide who would get to take it. The free market will eat up free money like nothing you've ever seen, which is why some of the worst failures have come from a well-intentioned government policy getting extracted like a natural resource.
It's a fallacy to think, "the market is like a friend, tax it and it won't help you, give to it and it will." The reality is closer to, "the market is an angry dragon that just so happens to be pulling your plow."
When your accounting system includes biases that specifically exclude certain kinds of value - i.e. anything currently labelled an externality - there's going to be a hard limit on the rationality and foresight of any decisions that rely on it.
If there were air rights-say every property owner gets rights to the air one mile up from their property-, the holders could sue polluters for the damage they cause.
Anarcho-capitalists will tell you that by privatizing everything, you eliminate externalities. But taking their logic further, the only way to prevent pollution or climate change is essentially millions of people suing each other. I don't think I've heard many ideas that are quite as stupid.
The thing is, I'm not a fan of markets and I'm not a fan central planning. I like the Marxian ideas of building/distributing things for-use (aka, at-cost as opposed to at market value), but then that still doesn't account for externalities. Even in a system where banking is socialized and allocations are made democratically, you still can't easily price in externalities.
So what would a system look like that priced pollution, carbon output, and cost of disposal/recycling of each product into the product itself? The only thing I can think of is government regulation, but even that seems to work via disincentives vs incentives, so you're constantly having to police people to do the right thing. Is this the only way?
What exactly is being argued here? That the local cities should be market players, and join in the income from growth they help stimulate?
Local governments have a method for doing that, taxation.
> Rome’s local government is funded largely by property taxes. ...... But for the Rome city government, tearing down multiple blocks of taxpaying properties—even if they were in terrible shape at the time—and replacing them with a tax-exempt property, under the guise of creating economic activity, is a really terrible transaction. Absolutely devastating.
You're right, it would be a terrible transaction. They cannot be a market player in growth under their current structure. So as I see it, what you're arguing for is that Rome and Brainerd implement more transaction-based taxation. Which would be absolutely fine, as they then have a proper incentive to increase growth.
In essence, these deals get sold on the fact that they will bring $X million dollars into the local economy, but nobody realizes that 0.95*$X million dollars is going right back out again until it's too late. After a few years, the city coffers would be empty and maintenance costs of the infrastructure built for these developments would leave them insolvent.
The tie back to the "free market" is a little less clear. But it seems to be to be a collection of anecdotes that "economic activity" doesn't magically flow into government coffers. The whole concept of cutting taxes to raise revenue is a joke and doesn't work. Small towns need to operate like a for profit business and take a hard look at the ROI for infrastructure investments, and this means collecting taxes.
Chuck is not anti-market, he's just going into a lot of the details about how this stuff works out in practice.
If your building something without the revenue support it then you would normally go out of business
> Outcomes I Don’t Like = Result of a Distorting Government Intervention
A modified version of this can frequently be observed in right-wing media, where the generally accepted term is "crony capitalism." When capitalism produces outcomes they approve of, it's because capitalism is good. When capitalism produces outcomes they don't approve of, it's because what was going on wasn't really capitalism, it was its debased, photo-negative, bearded-Spock version, "crony capitalism." In other words, it's a form of the "No true Scotsman" fallacy: true capitalism wouldn't have done those bad things.
Which is frustrating, because "crony capitalism" is a real thing that actually means something specific: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism. But in this usage it's just a convenient way to handwave away market failures by dumping them at the feet of a straw man.
>...When capitalism produces outcomes they approve of, it's because capitalism is good. When capitalism produces outcomes they don't approve of, it's because what was going on wasn't really capitalism, it was its debased, photo-negative, bearded-Spock version, "crony capitalism."
Can you give an example?
It's not like you haven't heard the term before, so I'm not sure why you're asking for links.
That sounds like something different than the OP said.
>...It's not like you haven't heard the term before, so I'm not sure why you're asking for links.
It's like I said, cronyism will be found in any political system. What was odd, was the original poster was saying that frequently when people didn't like some result, it was blamed on "crony capitalism" and as the OP pointed out:
>"Which is frustrating, because "crony capitalism" is a real thing that actually means something specific"
I don't think I've seen examples of people in the media using the term "crony capitalism" wrong, but then again I don't watch Fox News, so I asked for an example. Does that make sense?
While the causes and recommended solutions to the great recession are still being debated, most people would say the mixed economy we have is capitalist. So I find it odd that someone would claim we didn't have a capitalist system in 2008. Can you give a link to an example?
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/bernie-not-soci...
To summarize the issue: we have a mixed economy. We do not have what advocates of capitalism want: a purely capitalist economy (or at least something much closer to that). That's why they would say we do not have a capitalist economy.
I agree. I asked for an example in my message, since, as you point out I've never heard a "pro-capitalist" singling out the 2008 crisis as "oh that wasn't real capitalism". People might want to narrowly define the meaning of a capitalist economic system but that is a bit different than what it looked like the OP was writing.
For every socialist who says the USSR was not actually socialist, there is a capitalist who will deny any bad thing happening under capitalism being related to capitalism itself. It's always the government's fault.
As if the government made bankers bet on bets on bets on bets on instruments founded in shaky debt. This type of runaway effect is only possible in a system that supports the commodification of anything.
Socialists do the same thing. Outcomes they like can be attributed to collectivism and those they don’t like they attribute to capitalism / free markets.
All ideologies have costs, benefits, and results that deviate from the ideal. Doesn’t mean they are “wrong.”
We use US as the control.
People who are not willing to refine their models in the face of new evidence are more idealogues than thinkers.