Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads
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It is telling that deactivating telemetry is the most significant feature of the enterprise edition.
Took me like 5 minutes of not being able to use my computer to get through, only to find that I wasn't hacked... but that was something Microsoft hired and paid employees to do.
With that in mind, they haven't done anything like that since. Hopefully people are super mad about it.
Unusual windows activity, random rebooting associated with "updates", is a force of nature. People are beyond anger. They just accept it as part of the natural world. Linux guys like me are the angry man standing on the corner saying that the world doesn't need to be this way, that we can choose not to live like this. But if you believe that something is natural and unavoidable, eventually that guy in the corner looks genuinely crazy.
My guess is that people screw up their machines in a way that triggers some type of registry repair, or they encounter a problem and do a rollback or refresh in safe boot themselves, which will reset things like active services and scheduled tasks. Those fire up, see an unrecognized configuration, invalid entries, or missing entries, and reset those settings to a default.
Seriously, I see these comments on things happening by magic in Win 10 - full apps installing themselves, setting gremlins flipping switches, advertisements eating people's children, etc.- and I've literally experienced NONE of them. Actually I had Error Reporting reenabled once after using the troubleshooting settings to clean the DNS cache instead of ipconfig. I've had plenty of issues to troubleshoot, mostly from my own tweaking, some out of my control, but the level of Win10 FUD is bizarre.
tl;dr - More MS FUD. Don't use every hack posted by internet randos and check any deep customizations after using any automated repair tools.
The second mentions:
1) Drivers being replaced, which is often cited as the overwhelming contributing factor of system instability. It was a huge factor specifically when the driver model changed in Vista and shotty 3rd party drivers is often credited as the single biggest reason Vista flopped. They're anal about drivers, but MS provides ways to prevent drivers from being updated automatically. They list printers being uninstalled as a separate thing, but probably same root cause. Printers and their software hold the top ranking on the "WTF is all this shit?" Scale.
Ads turned back on? Never happened on any of these systems. There might have been some feature that was added in an early release (both articles were written in 2017), but if there was, it was a toggle in the settings to disable it.
Default apps being reset actually DID happen to me once, now that I think about it. It's literally a 5 second fix, which is why I forgot about it.
That article also links to MakeUseOf articles that promote installing 3rd party apps to do things like redirect Cortana, set default programs, etc. Gee, use some rando internet person's hack to change default apps and at the next update the default apps are reset to default? Must be Microsoft's fault. Let's mess with Cortana, which can be used to recommend (advertise) apps and services by examining the user's history (telemetry). What? All the telemetry tweaks and ad settings have changed. OMG MS you so bad! Sorry, M$ you so bad! (Gotta have that late 90s childish Developers Developers Developers rage.)
The overwhelming takeaways are:
A) If you're going to spend hours of your life at the computer, spend 30 minutes looking over the settings for each major release, which happens once every year or so. Same goes for your phones/tablets.
B) Use the tools provided to tweak first and resort to 3rd party hacks only if they're reversible, you know exactly what they do, and you could perform the same changes manually.
reg add "HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\WMI\Autologger\DefenderApiLogger" /v "Start" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f
reg add "HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\WMI\Autologger\DefenderAuditLogger" /v "Start" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f
Not to mention the seemingly-continuous/mysterious "update bandwidth". When I boot up a Windows machine at my vacation condo with a 2Mbps DSL line (okay, yeah, but it's all I can get), it sucks it completely dry for an hour or more, with nothing about updates or anything meaningful appearing on the Windows screen at all.
What's it doing? Who knows.
edit: clarity
It seems windows pro receives less ads than home so it may be that. Anyway there have been times where I was doing heavy browsing where I got over 20% and some times over 25%. I also block everything from facebook.
My top blocked domains today are: self.events.data.microsoft.com, activity.windows.com, watson.telemetry.microsoft.com and reddit.map.fastly.com
self.events.data.microsoft.com, activity.windows.com.
Maybe you are blocking some legitimate traffic, forcing it to retry many times?
Every time our tests ran the windows menu showed ads. Edge default home page showed ads. An OS was supposed to be on the users side and Windows wasn’t.
I quit and have been much happier. Although I work for a tracking company so may be I am a hypocrite. But my current employer has strong ethics when it comes to GDPR, DNT cookie, No cross domain tracking Yada yada.
My litmus test for whether Windows is finally fixed is whether of not it’s possible to install it without Candy Crush, but unfortunately without killing the network and applying a registry patch as far as I know it can’t be done.
1) Tablets aren't the only "post-PC" platform. Most of the leisure computing is done on smartphones when it would have been done on a laptop or desktop 5-10 years ago.
2) If we're considering tablets to be PC replacements, we should expect their sales trends to be along the lines of PC sales. People keep PCs a lot longer than smartphones, so we should expect people to keep their iPads a lot longer than their phones too.
3) Tablet sales have absolutely not collapsed [1]
[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/272595/global-shipments-...
See the recently revealed iPadOS: https://www.apple.com/ipados/ipados-preview/
Nothing. They use apps on their Linux phones, or happily use any OS that runs a browser since everything is web based today. Oh and for gaming there is consoles of course, which crushes the PC gaming market in pretty much any discipline.
The only people remaining dependent on desktops (or laptops) will be office workers, and I'm pretty sure they don't care about DirectX so much, so replacing those with Linux seems very doable, it's just the question if companies care enough. Last I checked, even office 365 worked on Linux.
Somehow I doubt Android is what Linux Desktop evangelists imagined. At best this is moving the goal posts significantly.
> or happily use any OS that runs a browser since everything is web based today.
Apparently that doesn't include Linux, despite it being free, not having invasive telemetry, and not having ads in the application launcher.
> Oh and for gaming there is consoles of course, which crushes the PC gaming market in pretty much any discipline.
And yet Steam is a ridiculously huge money maker and people are buying more PC games than ever.
> The only people remaining dependent on desktops (or laptops) will be office workers
Incorrect, but let's entertain your fantasies anyway.
> I'm pretty sure they don't care about DirectX so much, so replacing those with Linux seems very doable
Then why hasn't it happened? You think companies like paying licensing fees to Microsoft?
Consider that there are good reasons people do not use Linux Desktop instead of just assuming they're all idiots.
You must be confusing Android with a desktop OS. It's mobile so they don't fall into the desktop category at all. Which was exactly my point: they simply don't need a desktop OS anymore.
> Apparently that doesn't include Linux
That reads like you're looking at some statistics that show that 0% of desktop users run Linux. Care pointing to it?
> And yet Steam is a ridiculously huge money maker and people are buying more PC games than ever.
So? It's completely overshadowed by the console market, not even including mobile games here.
> Then why hasn't it happened? You think companies like paying licensing fees to Microsoft?
You're asking why it hasn't happened yet in reply to me using future tense.
But let's put aside that pretty much everything you said was deliberately besides the point. Why it hasn't happened yet is pretty simple. Companies weigh the cost of switching vs. The cost of just keep paying for Windows (so no changes, no initial setup cost, no training, ...). That's gonna be cheaper for quite some time but eventually everything will be in the cloud so there is less and less reason to keep up a huge and complicated windows domain network with software rollout and other brain damage. You might keep a basic AD in place for user management that the web services talk to but that's it. Funnily enough my current and previous employer is still on win 7 because of the frequent messups you read about regarding 10, and how even in a corporate environment it's near impossible to disable all telemetry. I'm curious what they'll do at 7's EOL.
As for the average home desktop user, you're not seriously expecting your mom to go ahead and download and install Ubuntu are you? As long as most OEMs still exclusively sell machines with Windows preinstalled, there really shouldn't be anything surprising about the fact that most people use Windows. We already see some of the larger ones offering machines with Linux though, and with the desktop keeping to lose relevance and everything moving to the web I wouldn't be surprised to see this getting more prevalent over the next decade if Microsoft doesn't get their act together regarding Windows. It currently looks like they're cutting costs in that department, normal users seem to get the beta versions now so they could cut down their QA.
> Seems to me that DirectX is the last remaining barrier to finally getting the majority of the Windows user base to migrate to Linux.
To which my point was simply "you are very wrong". As far as I can tell, you agree that there are a lot more barriers to moving to Linux from Windows than just DirectX (again, if that were true why haven't office workers moved? Oh yeah, lots of other reasons!).
So what exactly is the point you're trying to make?
Obviously there's gonna be special software in certain fields that's going to be around for quite a while, like the pharma example from this other reply, but even there the point was rather that upgrading from the XP version is too expensive....
And ultimately the question is at which point maintaining or even improving Windows becomes economically unfeasible. With Windows 10 being "the final Windows" there was already a big shift in paradigm. Microsoft is very busy expanding in the cloud/SaaS business, so it's not like they don't see how Windows might lose relevance over time. This in turn sends signals to software vendors who still make software that requires desktop machines.
Ok, in this scenario, why would I choose Linux? Linux is literally irrelevant if "all you need is Chrome" (among the more dystopian futures I can imagine for computing, btw). Chrome is the platform then and everything is just a Chromebook. In this scenario no one reaches for Linux, they just buy some horrible proprietary locked down no-user-serviceable-parts thing like they do with phones and personal computing is declared dead.
I don't buy that that is true anyway. People have been predicting the death of desktop PCs for a long time too and it still hasn't happened. Cloud is just the latest in the thin-client/fat-client cycle of hyped up computer industry bullshit as far as I'm concerned.
You're obviously not a PC gamer. The question of console vs PC is still widely debated, with no clear winner. At least to me, they both have their own uses. There are things that are much better on a console than a PC, and vice versa.
In terms of graphical computing power, there's no debate. All the current-gen consoles will get absolutely demolished by a 3-year-old mid-grade gaming computer.
The only things a console will beat a PC on is the upfront price of the machine (which ends up being meaningless as the console game stores don't have the killer sales Steam is known for) and exclusives. If you prefer a controller over mouse/keyboard, you can use a controller on a PC. If you prefer to game on a 50+ inch TV rather than a monitor, you can either plug your computer into your TV, or use a SteamLink, or get the SteamLink RPi app.
I'm hoping the rumors about Win10 eventually supporting all Xbox games natively are true.
PC overtook console gaming in terms of revenue over five years ago. There's a vastly more players on PC nowadays.
https://www.pcr-online.biz/2014/04/25/pc-games-have-surpasse...
Oddly, this is the factor that underlies most of my personal beefs with both Microsoft and Apple. What's wrong with my wifi? At least I can look in journalctl on linux. My laptop doesn't have enough screenspace - I can use i3wm on linux. I want double-click to include '*' and '/' and ':' in a "word", hey I can change xterm config. I want left-mouse-button to start a selection, and right to continue it, and middle-mouse-button to paste, and I want F2 to paste, X11 can do that. I don't want the focused window to pop to the top? Can do on Linux. There's so many things that Windows and MacOS make the decisions for you and make it very, very hard to do otherwise that really cramp your style on a basic level.
> journalctl, i3wm, xterm config, non-standard mouse configurations
The versatility of Linux is frequently touted as its best feature, a feature that 99% of humans don't care about, and would confuse that same 99% of people.
People are used to what Microsoft and Apple imposed on them. For better, or for worse, they honestly couldn't give a damn about being able to do stuff like that. Their style is the Apple style, or the Microsoft style and, most importantly, the no-terminal style.
Linux is the perfect desktop for developers. It hits all the wrong checkboxes for end-users.
1. The argument that a Linux desktop won't fly because people do so damn many things that a Linux desktop just can't do is false. 2. Windows and Mac really push you hard into a single style of interacting with your computer.
This is precisely the kind of condescending bullshit I'm talking about.
> People are used to what Microsoft and Apple imposed on them.
A convenient fantasy for Linux Desktop evangelists to soothe their egos.
And to configure the said trackpad, I have a nice GUI allowing me to define dozens of mouvement, triggers and response events for whatever application. No need to study the obscure documentation of xinput or whatever, if you're even successfull to find it on the web, only to dicover the possibilities doesn't go over of what you were able to do 10 years ago, which was very basic, e.g single tap, double tap, 2 fingers tap and that it. Last time I checked, 3 fingers swipe was not even registered.
Desktop interface of Linux computers feels like outdated copy of Windows. XFCE and LXDE looks like windows 95. Gnome, Mate and Cinamon never made it past 2008 and KDE is buggy as hell and a mess to configure.
And most desktop application feels like they have been made by a company going broke before being able to polish the interface.
With MacOS, you have the best of both world: a standard nix system, with a nice interface, a repository system (brew, macport) and polished commercial applications from an app store or from the wild.
Linux is good for niche applications: server, embedded systems, and a few specialized distro like kali or tails. For regular desktop application, that's still functional, but without the happiness.
Most of all, it looks exactly like it looked last year. That's a feature.
(Of course, I don’t play much and I didn’t bother to benchmark. It probably is still worse than native in many cases. But hey, glitch free and fast enough for me. Was very surprised to see games with Denuvo running great.)
In other words developers (and their employers) are customers while users are a product or resource to be exploited.
See: http://bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts
I don't work there, but I've heard Microsoft is more like a federation of organizations than one giant consistent, cohesive team.
For example their phones have extremely complicated DRM that makes everything slower (and reserves tons of memory and even affects things like camera) because of their movie and music business.
https://mspoweruser.com/rejoice-windows-users-candy-crush-is...
I didn’t notice because my Windows 10 image is out of date, presumably getting the latest ISO would fix the problem.
UPDATE:
Sigh... you are correct. Fresh install, Win10 Pro, same garbage.
I've heard that Microsoft account sync the start menu layout, so it might come from your previous install.
I'm using Win10 1903 fresh install (local account) and I haven't get candy crush tile ever.
i'm still always confused why somebody creates two versions and label them 'as business' and as home use.
https://mspoweruser.com/rejoice-windows-users-candy-crush-is...
What's you new litmus test?
I installed Windows as early as last month (in a VM) and still got Candy Crush. This is probably because my ISO image was not fully up to date.
I was not aware of this change but it is greatly appreciated. I can no longer modify the parent comment but if dang or anyone else with permission wants to please feel free.
No need for a new litmus test, though solving the problem of Edge opening MSN ads after updating would probably buy some goodwill.
https://i.imgur.com/zDWo4Hb.png
Very sad.
Candy Crush is pure garbage.
- Github Sponsors with donation matching for some limited time period
- Github Pro which based on browsing user profiles a surprising amount of folks have bought into
- Github Package Repositories.
- Github Pipelines.
Generally I have been waiting for Github to start sucking but it has only gotten better imo.
I have been a pretty big Gitlab fanboy for a while so it’s weird to harp on Github’s progress but they’ve done a good job flipping the script.
Not a statement either way, but AFAIK everyone who has the Student Pack[1] gets the PRO badge. I have it and I haven't spent a penny on GitHub (though my employer has).
Developers, developers, developers.
When they stopped singing that, they nearly failed. Now they are back. It doesn't include being nice to end-users.
Spreading disinformation in 2019 is despicable itself.
- Microsoft already handles data from competitors in other portions of their corporation. If it was discovered that Microsoft and / or GitHub actors were acting in bad faith with private repositories, that would immediately erode the trust of their Azure platform.
- Most projects are more than just the code. It's often build toolchains, pipelines, and other specific knowledge around said code.
Code is cool, but they could already know everything every company in the world is doing.
I don't think they're abusing the trust put into them, we'd know by now.
They'd also probably be blown to smithereens by governments and other corporations, through lawsuits.
For all their claims of having reformed, Microsoft will always be that ex you don’t want to do anything with ever again.
There are worse horrors than the lack of a physical Escape key, waiting on the other side of the fence.
Deprecating open gl. Eliminating 32-bit support. Forcing me to use dongle after dongle (ethernet, usb-A, HDMI, and SD card)
Magic mouse has such a terrible sensor, not to mention the charging port location. I actually replaced it with a logitech because it's pretty much unusable for any precision work.
Heck, I bought an eGPU enclosure recently because I had a set of nvidia cards lying around.. I can only use it in bootcamp though, because of course macs only support AMD cards...
Microsoft may be an abusive ex, but apple is pretty much the same melody with different lyrics.
Still though, also have my stack of MacBooks.
Apple becoming a Unix vendor lured me to their hardware, which functions as a terminal server in most regards, for my needs. For everything else, there's a fat Linux machine.
Windows: just, no. Only use it if I get paid to use it.
I'm just trying to detangle the type of graphics being mentioned. I do wish Nvidia drivers were better, but maybe that'll happen with ROCs coming out soon.
Get AMD. Why do people insist on getting Nvidia cards and then complain that those aren't aimed at them? Get the one that is selling to you.
At least that is the reason i get Nvidia GPUs.
So the question remains valid: what are the GPUs being sold with super short warranties, and are they even worth buying in the first place?
One year was the best you'd get, 90 days was common.
Also, on Linux, AMD's OpenGL implementation - which is just Mesa - is very high quality.
So they are not following spec, and that's a good thing?
So please just stop telling us to get AMDs. That trades a small issue for a bigger one. Nvidia is selling is 90% of what we want and we're annoyed that they just don't care about that other 10%.
That said, I only use it a couple times a month. If I had to run it professionally, I'm not sure I'd be down.
Inkscape is similar - everything is a little harder to do - and there's some basic things that don't seem to be in the application at all. Does Inkscape support multiple artboards yet? What about exporting multiple resolutions without duplicating the assets? The symbol support also was very lackluster when I used it last.
Krita lags horribly every time I've tried to use it.
I like the notion that there are open source replacements for these systems.. and I'd love to drop my $50+ per month subscription - but the alternatives aren't yet equivalents.
Basically, yes, it hurts, but maybe try using it more? It's certainly better than nothing, which is what we may have if, I dunno, Adobe collapses or something crazy and all our Photoshop licenses suddenly stop working.
I actually feel the exact opposite - it's easier to use than Photoshop - but that's probably because I used GIMP before I ever had access to Photoshop.
100% agree about Inkscape, though.
Krita: Constant random crashes, like seemingly every complex Qt application.
Inkscape: I grew up on CorelDraw so maybe I just have the wrong set of expectations, but the UX is full of papercuts and inexplicable choices. For just one example that annoyed me recently, it seemed completely impossible to get snapping to grids and guidelines to behave; some objects would just refuse to snap to certain targets (different set for each object), and generally the snapping seemed to be based on arbitrary "basepoints" (only one per object; can you change those?) rather than bounding boxes.
(Blender, brought up elsewhere: actually quite good (modulo maybe the confusing refcounting/resource management), once you get on top of the learning curve. I hope 2.8, which I haven't tried yet, hasn't changed this.)
This is what macOS does, and does it well. Aqua/Quartz (is it still called that?) doesn't support (or at least doesn't encourage) MDI either, but unlike Windows it's app-centric instead of document-centric, which can annoy some Windows users when ALL of an app's windows come to front when they click on its icon in the dock.
Also, when you're making artwork on a deadline, fooling with virtual machines and things like that just doesn't make sense. There are just too many moving parts. Having to deal with layers of technology is a serious impediment to letting your creativity flow.
I first installed Linux off of floppies in the mid-90s on a hand-me-down 486— my distaste for that workflow isn't born from lack of experience or technical knowlege— it's born from the knowledge of the very real consequences of having an overly complicated toolchain when doing time-sensitive work.
20 years ago, the type of person analogous to a typical HN type would have been on Linux. Thread after thread on places like Slashdot started from a position of Linux advocacy as a common baseline. Then in the early 2000s there was a massive shift to Mac among those types.
Personally, I miss the days of rank and file in such communities being desktop Linux advocates. We lost something of our soul.
I think a lot of us just end up with Macs because work IT hates the idea of managing Linux machines and macOS gets you 95% of what you need.
Many of us end up with Linux precisely because work IT doesn't manage Linux machines. (What's worse is when they think they can manage Linux machines.)
But that aside. The free unix-like desktop has a lot of choices to be made, and one person's setup isn't going to be the same as another's. To me, that is the opposite of looking down on somebody for what they use, if we all agree that these are legitimate choices. And there is a little bit of a spirit that if something is lacking, you can try to pave your own way, which I don't see as a bad thing, though I can see others rejecting it.
If anything I think the current community is a little too homogeneous, with a lot of people opting for stock Ubuntu or whatever, than it used to be, and that's a criticism I would make.
[0] and in fact I have a higher quantity of my devices running a Linux Desktop than I do Windows, but my main rig is Windows and that's unlikely to change for many reasons.
Agreed, and I am a Linux user. I would much rather spend my time with people who are interested in using Linux rather than promoting it. The discussions are much more meaningful. Besides, evangelists from one side tends to attract evangelists from the other side (with each side being as bad as the other). Once that happens, annoying advocacy tends to transform into belittling bickering.
I pull them out a few times a year for that odd doc or onerous requirement.
Otherwise I've been happy with debian for a decade.
It's already happened.
By the way, if you need a matte screen, third-party screen filters can help there.
I got a Kensington “Privacy Guard” that attaches magnetically and can be flipped around between the gloss or matte side. It may be slightly blurry at times but after getting comfortable with the reduction in glare and reflections, I dislike going back to the default Mac screens.
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HLXJ2ZM/A/kensington-mp15...
it's a strength, not a flaw
choice fatigue is real, just go dell.com and try to pick a laptop
If they would pay attention to the usability of their machines they'd be amazing. But I can't afford pay thousands of dollars to work slower.
It really isn't. And Apple can win that fight even if Intel tries to cause trouble.
Question: what enclosure did you get? I’m thinking of getting the Razer Core X myself, for an AMD card for bootcamp and macOS
There is an issue where I have to plug it in right after windows starts to boot because the mac tries to disable the integrated graphics if it's plugged in when the laptop boots (which causes windows to not boot). But if you don't plug it in while windows is in the early boot stages then windows doesn't seem to want to identify it. Apparently this is solvable with a custom efi module but I haven't explored that yet.
Otherwise it works solid in windows. Pretty much the same performance as when the card was in my desktop.
rEFInd successfully gets Windows to find the Intel UHD integrated graphics, so that's good. That let me uninstall the Vega 20's drivers and disable it entirely.
Even then, I still don't boot with the enclosure attached - it seems to ignore its presence? Unplugging and plugging it back in triggers Windows to go find all of the hardware, and then I have to wait 30 seconds while things grind to a halt as devices install. I'm eagerly awaiting AMD Navi 10 driver support in OS X, which I suspect will come around since people have found the names in kernel extension strings earlier this year.
This sounds like a false dichotomy. There are, of course, other and cheaper ways of getting out of using Windows than buying an Apple computer.
These are just the incentives that capitalism creates. Microsoft's abusive ad practices, Apple's abusive hardware lock in. C'est la vie. The only stack that isn't structurally abusive to users is Linux, but of course it's Linux.
I think the endgame you're looking for is probably Linux-based.
But so is Internet Explorer. What kind of super old Windows version were these people running? What caused IE to open out of the blue? Windows has plenty flaws but randomly open browsers is not one I'm familiar with.
Java Applets (and Flash) were built on the NPAPI APIs (as "plug-ins"). Historically NPAPI was supported by every major browser.
NPAPI/Plug-ins are insecure/cannot be sandboxed. After Flash died, browsers quickly dropped NPAPI support (namely Opera 2016, Chrome in 2015, Firefox in 2017, Safari in 2018, etc) and Edge never supported it.
Internet Explorer is the only browser with a large install-base that still supports native plugins and by extension Java Applet. It is essentially Microsoft's "compatibility" browser, a safe haven for the last remaining ActiveX/NPAPI Plug-ins/Flash/Java Applets/etc.
Extensions by contrast are much more secure, as they run completely in a browser's context and can be isolated/sandbox/have permissions, but aren't suitable for running a full speed virtual machine (although Web Assembly could change that) like Java or Flash.
I though plugins on Internet Explorer used ActiveX, not NPAPI. Wikipedia agrees with me (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPAPI): "Internet Explorer versions 3 through 5.5 SP2 supported NPAPI [...] Support came via a small ActiveX control (named "plugin.ocx") that acted as a shim [...] Microsoft dropped support in version 5.5 SP2 onwards for security reasons."
The default settings for IE are for the masses - they want to see a search bar / news site as soon as they open the web browser. If the browser did nothing, a lot of non-technical people would think their internet / device isn't working.
Technical users probably don't want to see msn.com, and are OK with opening a blank window. So just change the settings! It's on the first tab!
And iirc Edge shows some shitty news feed "new tab" screen (without ads). It's still crap, but less crap than msn.com :-)
IE does not start up automatically.
They probably did some hacky shit like
CreateObject("WScript.Shell").Run "cmd /k C:\Progra~1\Intern~1\iexplore.exe" & Blah
and then forgot to set Blah, or it used to be set but somehow got unset in a later update script, etc.
Build-servers.
MSN does not load on IE in Windows Server.
Yes, it sucks, but there are tons of archaic corporate programs and government sites that require it. Some oddly coded old programs will still launch IE if you click links in their About windows (probably hardcoded to launch IE instead of using the system's default url handler).
The OP is making the equivalent complaint of running a full Ubuntu shell complete with the Ubuntu One store running in the background after starting up Gnome, and complaining that Canonical owes him CPU-time.
Well, yeah, you logged into a interactive user session in a desktop user-oriented operating system!
This is the case of the person who goes to a doctor and says, "It hurts when I do this". The answer: "Then don't do that!"
While it certainly is preferable to use a headless session even a desktop session should quiescence by default, otherwise the operating system would be wasting gigawatts across its install base.
@shipilev Dear God, @danluu posted this at HackerNews, and now I have
people blowing this out of proportion and/or implying I should feel
bad about "misconfiguration". Jeez, it is at-home build node, not
the enterprise build farm. Most of the time I'm surprised it works
without problems :D
Tweets don't make great HN content. They're not fully-formed articles, they don't provide context, they miss critical information, and people always over-react to them.Not saying that IE should've ever been opened in the first place but this doesn't sound very malicious? It is pretty sad how much resources pages like that take though.
So the price to not get ads every update is 300$ I guess.
- Windows 2000 and prior releases - Windows 10 LTSC (formerly LTSB) - Windows Server
And this would be only in cases where Windows is absolutely necessary; otherwise, why take that risk when Linux (and more recently OpenBSD) has been nice and good to me as a daily driver for 10 years now?
Most of my most-annoying OS features are around updates these days. Windows Update loves to just spontaneously force-reboot whenever it feels like it, too bad if you had some unsaved files or some process you intended to leave running. OS X is nicer about its OS updates, but the Mac App Store seems to like to silently download and install updates whenever it feels like it. Pretty annoying when you're trying to do something on your last few % of battery, and it decides to burn up the CPU updating XCode or iTunes or something, with no indication what it's doing or how to make it stop.
Windows does have an annoying feature (which can be turned off, but it's not obvious) where apps will relaunch after reboot, perhaps that was the cause, but we don't know.
I'd encourage you to avoid hyperbole, in the interest of keeping the discussion productive.
I see people talking about ad farming - but this seems like for whatever reason IE was opened - and it's default home page is MSN, which has ads.
Where are you getting ad farming from?
edit: clarify utilization I've experienced is cpu
The reasoning boils down to power management, but using linux cuts an hour or two off my laptop's battery life.
As for ram, i have no problem of windws/apps using all the ram i have available, that means they will hit the disk less often and be snappier, in most cases
"Show suggestions occasionally in Start" in the useless redundant new settings app is something that should be a completely optional component and not intrinsic to the operating system.
I mean the pictures are nice, but it is personalized by proclamation, so they have to farm at least some data.
All this stuff needs to be patched out yesterday in my opinion.