$15 Minimum Wage Would Leave 1.3M Jobless, Lift as Many Out of Poverty
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Here's the publication: https://www.cbo.gov/publication/55410 Here's the report: https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2019-07/CBO-55410-MinimumWa...
From the report: "In an average week in 2025, the $15 option would boost the wages of 17 million workers who would otherwise earn less than $15 per hour. Another 10 million workers otherwise earning slightly more than $15 per hour might see their wages rise as well. But 1.3 million other workers would become jobless, according to CBO’s median estimate. There is a two- thirds chance that the change in employment would be between about zero and a decrease of 3.7 million workers. The number of people with annual income below the poverty threshold in 2025 would fall by 1.3 million."
By 2025, automation should be way ahead than we have here. I wonder how that would help or not help these numbers. Maybe the overdue recession will increase the jobless number. Or the economy will keep trucking on and the number would be close to zero. So many questions, so little answers.
"Research suggests that a minimum-wage increase could have a small stimulative effect on the economy as low-wage workers spend their additional earnings, raising demand and job growth, and providing some help on the jobs front."
https://www.epi.org/minimum-wage-statement/
Even within the document when they talk about the uncertainty of effect the minimum wage has on employment they're talking about uncertainty of magnitude (negative) and not uncertainty around the direction of that change.
Take a look at:
"By boosting the income of low-wage workers who keep their jobs, a higher minimum wage raises their families’ real income, lifting some of those families out of poverty. However, real income falls for some families because other workers lose their jobs, business owners lose income, and prices increase for consumers. For those reasons, the net effect of a minimum-wage increase is to reduce average real family income."
I think if you read that quote to different economists who study the minimum wage you would find very, very different opinions on how true it is.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/55410
There's some subtlety worth quoting in contrast to the headline:
"CBO estimates that there is about a two-thirds chance that the change in employment would lie between about zero and a reduction of 3.7 million workers."
"There is considerable uncertainty about the responsiveness of employment to an increase in the minimum wage. If employment is more responsive than CBO expects, then increases in the minimum wage would lead to larger declines in employment. By contrast, if employment is less responsive than CBO expects, then such increases would lead to smaller declines in employment. Findings in the research literature about how changes in the federal minimum wage affect employment vary widely. Many studies have found little or no effect of minimum wages on employment, but many others have found substantial reductions in employment."
So, between nothing to a small re-training program. Go for it!
Therefore the consumer-friendly policy interpretation is to gradually raise minimum wages as new methods of using capital are introduced, and allow the labor to transition from the unskilled to the skilled jobs.
However, what's left out is the skills gap in recruiting for the new jobs; it's hard to find qualified people, and it's hard to find a job right for you when the field is always changing. The market is not great at coordinating this transition on its own.
It's not an objective question, it's a question of balancing effects which depends on subjective preference, so even if there were solid models which would precisely predict all the effects (which there aren't, even approximately) they wouldn't be theories on how to set minimum wages.
(If you mean ideological theories as opposed to scientific theories, then there are plenty of those on the topic in economics, though whether they are “good” or not is a matter of taste.)
Highly-automated agribusinesses, especially those located elsewhere, don't have this problem. Neither do farmers willing to break the employment law. But my friend for some reason doesn't seem to want to become a professional criminal.
All of these programs that shift costs onto employers are fundamentally flawed for many reasons. The most obvious reason is that lots of people aren't employed.
He's the only Presidential candidate that is providing pragmatic solutions to handle a rapidly changing economy.
This is basically a subsidy to these companies by the government supporting lower wages for them when they're already quite profitable.
That line is about the president. Current wage level is "too high"??!! How out of touch are the people running for (and holding) office?
"I started off in Brooklyn, my father gave me a small loan of a million dollars..."
To be fair, that loan was small compared to the $400+ million his father funneled to him later in tax-evading fake business.
But, yeah, thinking that getting a “small” million-dollar loan would make him look like a everyman turned self-made success is pretty out-of-touch.
The weird thing is, it still worked. And you could probably fill a book with things he's said that would have killed anyone else's political career. He should get out of real estate and politics altogether and sell DuPont whatever it is that keeps shit from ever sticking to him.
> The first option would raise the federal minimum wage to $15 per hour as of January 1, 2025. That increase would be implemented in six annual increments starting on January 1, 2020. After reaching $15 in 2025, the minimum wage would be indexed, or tied, to median hourly wages. The $15 option would also gradually eliminate exceptions to the minimum wage for tipped workers, teenage workers, and disabled workers.
> The second option would raise the federal minimum wage to $12 per hour as of January 1, 2025. The $12 option would be implemented on the same timeline as the $15 option but would not index the minimum wage to wage growth after 2025. It would leave in place current exceptions.
> The third option would raise the federal minimum wage to $10 per hour as of January 1, 2025. The $10 option would be implemented on the same timeline as the $15 and $12 options. Like the $12 option, it would not index the minimum wage to wage growth and would leave in place current exceptions.
In the Portland area, $15 is barely enough. Reasonable minimum target. This is true for various places along the I-5 corridor. Maybe Bend too.
In other regions, it may be $12, or even $11, depending.
Overall, it's reasonable and the expectation is increased demand will not impact the number of people having jobs much at all.
I agree with you. What should be done is a baseline study every few years. Take some basic metrics:
Housing
Food
Transportation
Health Care (overlooked now, but should not be, or we do universal care to keep it factored out)
Utilities, water, power, etc.
Roll all that up into a "just making it" index of some sorts and work from there.
My thoughts on this have arrived at a place where I do not see it being productive for labor to yield an income less than it actually does cost to exist and show up for work. When we do that, it's a subsidy, and we are all paying indirectly, and for some, very directly as those costs do accrue no matter what, and they get paid by someone no matter what, or people simply do not exist and or show up for work.
Often, the more direct payments fall on family and others close to the person unable to labor and meet basic needs. This gets expensive. Retirement, and other bigger picture things are impacted, and because we do not see those outcomes present right away, they too get ignored.
For all of us, taxes and such needed to fund services are indirect payments --subsidies essentially.
In some cases, a subsidy makes sense. Happy to do my part. However, in a general sense, I really do not want to be subsidizing businesses that could operate just fine and pay labor what it costs to exist and show up for work.
$15/hour * 40 hours/week * 50 weeks - (~$3000 in Federal Taxation) = $27,000
https://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty-guidelines
IMO, a minimum wage full-time employ shouldn't be a liveable wage for a teenager, it should be a liveable wage for almost everyone.
They hammer these 2 points relentlessly year after year: Tax cuts for the rich are good for the economy. A minimum wage for the poor is bad for the economy.
Of course they are only interested in what's good for all, and not what is good for their wealthy readership.
Please.
Australia and Scandinavian countries are good examples of this in action: high minimum age, but everything is ridiculously expensive.
It's much better if we provide education, so people better themselves and increase their value in the workplace.
I feel like this is only used by the politicians, who don't really care about people getting out of poverty, and want people to not only vote for them (for getting a government-enforced raise), but be dependent on them for life.
Even those you might expect to stand against a minimum wage, like some of those bodies and the Tory party who argued hard against its introduction, have called for increases beyond inflation.
Let's try doubling it, like having a $15 minimum wage and see what the actual changes would be.
"increased from such amount by the annual percentage increase, if any, in the median hourly wage of all employees as determined by the Bureau of Labor Statistics; and"
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/582/...