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Secure email provider Tutanota launches free encrypted calendar

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I'm glad to see this. Calendar integration (or lack thereof) was a large part of my decision making process when I was last shopping around for email providers. I wound up sacrificing privacy for a good calendar since I use it daily. I may have to re-evaluate providers soon.

This has been a key feature in my decision to settle on a primary email provider. With ProtonMail and Tutanota without a true suite of personal organization, I settled on FastMail with the leery eye that it may includes some compromises on privacy. ProtonMail is soon to be releasing their calendar product, though their pricing is a few times more than Tutanota.

Edit: This might be against protocol (I'll delete if so) but I did some further digging

- Why is Protonmail better than Tutanota : https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/b84kd3/why_is_p...

- And, why is Tutanota better than Protonmail: https://www.reddit.com/r/tutanota/comments/b82a05/why_is_tut...

Very interesting.

Neither Tutanota nor Protonmail provide IMAP.

Yea, yea, I know: Protonmail lets you if you pay for this proprietary client app that you then have to install; but come on, it's 2019, even Hotmail provides IMAP.

For some people it's actually useful to have offline access to email and, you know, being able to search their email content.

I mean, the core issue is that IMAP was never really intended to be used in the way that encrypted email works right?

> I mean, the core issue is that IMAP was never really intended to be used in the way that encrypted email works right?

Well, why is Protonmail able to provide IMAP then? (although restricted to paying customers, using proprietary software)[0]

[0]: https://protonmail.com/bridge/

Because they're using a piece of software to bolt stuff on top of IMAP because IMAP by itself was never intended to do what their software is doing

Seems to be 1/3 price of Fastmail on comparable plans too, anyone used both?

Fastmail doesn't support on the fly 'reply from' addresses which is annoying.

e.g. if I send a pattern of (incoming) To addresses to a folder, I can reply from any address I've configured beforehand, and I can set a default for the folder, but I can't reply from the same address as I received the email at, without going into settings to set it up (annoying for one-off).

Sometimes causes problems with support ticketing systems too.

Tutanota unfortunately has the same drawback in that you have to go to the settings and register a new email alias before you can reply from that adress.

Damn, thanks though.

Presumably it's a client support thing, as in if you use a third-party client with Fastmail/Tutanova that does support it, they won't mangle the headers?

I'll get around to testing it I suppose, just not something I thought of or realised I'd lose when I switched away from Gmail.

Fastmail and Tutanota arguably serve different desires: Tutanota goes for absolute end-to-end encryption, potentially at the cost of convenience and features. FastMail provides a much more Gmail-like experience without ads or privacy violations, with pretty good support (that can look at your email if you ask them to).

> Seems to be 1/3 price of Fastmail on comparable plans too, anyone used both?

I use nine domains on my Fastmail account, have around 60 aliases, currently use about 7GB of storage and pay 5 USD monthly. Assuming I'm reading Tutanota's pricing page correctly, this would cost me well over 8 EUR were I to switch.

The encryption is enticing enough to make me contemplate switching but seeing the 5 alias limit snaps me right out of it. I've never run a large scale email service so I might not have a good understanding of the overhead, but pricing 100 aliases at 4.8 EUR (four times the base plan) seems ridiculous.

My guess is they just copied ProtonMail, whose plans are equally crippled.

FastMail supports on the fly reply from if you have a catch-all alias on your domain. It defaults to replying from the same address. If you want to change the from address to something else, just select the "*@domain.tld" entry in the sender list. This turns "from:" into a text input.

See https://www.fastmail.com/help/receive/alias-catchall.html

TIL! That's awesome, thanks!

Oh. Thanks! How does that work for composing new mail, can you write something arbitrary? Or you also specify a few aliases that you'll choose from when they're not the delivered-to address for a reply?

You can enter something arbitrary (both for new mail and for replies). You can also configure sender identities you need repeatedly so you don't need to type them out. It's pretty neat.

If price is a concern, then Migadu or Mxroute would be the cheapest for those who need multiple mailboxes (not aliases). I’m not sure if either of these provide what you’re asking for. Migadu does have a forever free plan with a plain text ad for it in outgoing mails. That can be used to try it out. Mxroute does not have any trials or free tiers.

I'm a Fastmail customer, I was just intrigued to see Tutanova come in so much cheaper. (Though also not, depending on use, as pointed out by sibling comments to yours.)

Last I checked, Tutanota does not support DKIM for custom domains.

oh nice.. thanks I have a "better" option it is called... Filofax

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