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https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/de...

This is awesome! I had no idea! You're right, I don't think most people even realize. There's often times I get upset when using Bootstrap or just doing CSS and look up ways to do specific things and don't find out of the box solutions, this is one time I'm glad I found a decent alternative. One case that comes to mind is collapsible trees and dropdown boxes where you can type / search on them, and anything with dropdown boxes like checkmarks gets a wee bit hacky.

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Note that it's not yet supported by Edge: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/platfor...

Edge is turning into Chromium soon, so that shouldn't be a problem for much longer.

Considering there are millions of people still using IE11, I'd say it will continue being a problem for a long time.

18% of my users are on IE11. Some industries (healthcare, for example) don't change if they don't perceive something to be broken.

Doesn't Edge auto-update though? How easy would it be, as someone in enterprise IT, to keep users on an old version of Edge?

The reason is active-x, somebody wrote a way to scan with active-x and now virtually every healthcare web app works that way.

This was before webcam support was mainstream in browsers. Capturing stills from ultrasound is in many legacy systems still done with a TV capture card and the really old legacy cards don't even use any standard API but carry their own driver so you can't use them as a webcam but need the vendor app.

source: did support for a doctor some years ago

Edge isn't IE11. They are both installed, side-by-side, on Windows 10, and IE11 is the only one that ships on Windows 7.

In healthcare, the most common EMR systems (Epic, Cerner, Allscripts, etc) use IE11 in iframes as the platform environment for 3rd party applications embedded in their UIs. So convincing a few large vendors to upgrade would make a huge difference, but the hospitals themselves don't have the option of upgrading some of those browser environments. (My company makes apps that run in the EMR platforms)

To be fair, if we're staying in the parameters of the thought experiment, we're targeting the HN user base, which I suspect isn't using IE11 at nearly that rate...

There's a handy polyfill for that.

https://github.com/rstacruz/details-polyfill

Yeah I was going to say, I'm sure the polyfill shouldn't be entirely horrible...

Hmm, that's cool, I don't know how I've never heard of this before. Probably much better than some more-expensive CSS or Javascript.

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