Tesla’s head of production is going to EV startup Lucid Motors
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> Several other Tesla engineers and executives have also joined the startup and they are now also adding Hochholdinger to the team
Panasonic effectively make the cells (through quite a convoluted financial arrangement with Tesla), but Tesla make the batteries, which is a crucial distinction. An EV battery pack is inordinately more complex than a bundle of li-ion cells.
https://electrek.co/2019/05/16/tesla-completes-maxwell-acqui...
I don't doubt you, but I would love to learn more.
Right now, does Tesla sell batteries to other car companies?
Really curious as to what the motivations might be here for all these people to leave (apart from the monetary benefits of joining another "Tesla" even earlier).
Lucid probably makes that choice super easy, since you'll be working with familiar faces.
The early employees are likely the best to create a new electric car company, since they were the foundation of the current industry leader.
But when you look at it, they're building another Model S.
Having the option to build something you liked is better than being forced to use what is already used 'because it exists'.
Not always the best decision, but usually the kind of thought process one goes though.
For sure, there are many struggles that continue for Tesla, but I'm not sure that a new startup building cars from scratch is a way out of that. It looks like jumping out of the pot and into an inferno to me.
But the sorts of people doing this seem to be the ones that might enjoy the challenge involved.
After all, they're going to need a visionary...
Not necessarily. Sometimes you have a well defined problem and your advantage is in better execution.
Ex-Tesla employees have flocked to a variety of EV startups (Faraday Future, Elio, Lucid, Rivian, etc.) with varying levels of success for a while now. It's kind of like an incubator for EV engineers.
Great point that Tesla is an EV innovation incubator. High praise.
There is a good argument to be made that the cap should have been US wide and not per-company, because now it’s incentivizing late-movers who didn’t have to carry the initial higher R&D burden.
There’s even a small chance this might actually be amended by Congress.
But on the flip side, a per company cap diversifies the knowledge and experience and drives increased competition, even if it is late to the game.
But all of this goes to the consumer in the form of a demand side tax non-refundable tax credit. It will not help if they fail to get into production due to liquidity problems. Many businesses have failed trying to get to that point.
Once Model Y and Model 3 are globally available at scale, those lines cover the budget market. Tesla will be free to jack up the S and X prices into the mid $100s and spend that money on interiors. People will use ride sharing revenues to help cover the higher monthly payment.
Even if the autonomy part is delayed, this next generation of interiors, led by Lucid, is supporting Lyft and Uber drivers to make those higher payments, with premium vehicle ride share rates.
(1) Semi won’t need consumer design resources. And 3 and Y can be in design freeze for a while. Those teams will be 100% about production efficiency for a decade or so. So after Pickup, what else can Franz work on besides Roadster and S & X interior luxury? Franz had a fun to his head when designing the first Model S. With the freedom to start over and the needs of of autonomous taxi services at front of mind, I think Franz could do a lot. And depending on how Pickup goes we might see a more radical styling on the Model S. The 3/Y can be the conservative models, S/X inevitably have to be about passion.
How many million people lived in London, Paris, Moscow or Tokyo when they started building their respective subways?
The answer is 2.5 million, 3.3 million, 3.8 million, and 8 million, respectively. And all of those were started before 1930, so it was actually possible with the technology 100 years ago.
Yeah it does. Renewables take up tons of acreage and nuclear has issues with waste management, sourcing of raw materials (for developing countries), and being able to adjust to scale with variable power consumption.
The US has over 250 million privately owned vehicles that use an internal combustion engine for locomotion. We have 4 million miles of roads and the average commute is 25 minutes. How exactly would you structure a mass public transit system to accommodate this demand?
What has being "American" got to do with anything? Are electric vehicles not useful elsewhere? I'm not American and I think what hes doing is a great idea.
>A better future doesn’t involve better cars. Cheaper or more efficient use of energy is simply going to increase energy consumption.
Why do you assume your vision is what everyone wants or should want? Musk is doing something he believes in rather than simply talk about it. Why the needless hate?
This is a known strategy on HN, recommended by none other than Paul Graham. Reasonable expectation of utility for a talented group or individual.
“Part count” is a reasonable proxy for that.
(The first ipace and etron were also delivered to people who hated the style of the x, but otherwise liked it. The larger luxury market is funny this way - range will not be everything)
I wonder if they're hoping for China to be their main market, or to attract investment from there?
https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/21/18235019/lucid-motors-ele... https://electrek.co/guides/lucid-motors/
I wonder how they expect to be better?
The same would apply for SpaceX. They could study a lot of the successful and unsuccessful things other rocket makers had made and then do better.
To illustrate the point: Google search, the last search engine. Facebook, the last social network.
The examples you cite are Internet companies. Internet companies are peculiar because they exploit the economies of scale of the Internet to primarily offer services, not goods (read physical products).
If being last mover offered an advantage to players selling goods, then Windows Phone ought to have trounced Apple iPhone and Google Android since they were a late entrant in the smartphone movement when the paradigm shifted from physical keyboards to touchscreens.
This implies clarity. I personally think Tesla vehicles may fit the needs of a small percentage of the population (kind of like the new Mac Pro), but are overkill for everyone else, and the excitement in EV's is changing the world for future generations. This requires a car you can sell to everyone, not just those who would drop $80k on a car (or even $40k). I believe the core of what Tesla could be, a great EV, is obfuscated by things like AutoPilot. Interestingly enough, that's where most of the issues and headlines are as well.
I'm a huge fan of Tesla overall, and especially their engineering. Unfortunately, despite the pedigree of their design team, I find the aesthetics wanting. In comparison, the Lucid "Air" (as their model is known), seems to rival the best German manufacturers for aesthetics. It has the crispness and ease of a design from a mature luxury car company. So hats off to that achievement, whatever their market or price point.
Tesla's sheet metal and interiors are somewhat clumsy in comparison. (It's never a good sign when your car looks best in the curve-hiding color black.)
I do think Tesla's attention to detail in regards to crash safety and safety against battery fires is also quite important, and they should keep doing those things for all of their cars, but I don't think those alone require Tesla to make $35,000+ cars. I think they could build a good enough EV for $25,000 right now, and even a cheaper one in a few years. In fact, they should strive for that more than anything else (including AutoPilot).
I'm not saying Tesla should end-up building $8,000 EVs - what I'm saying is their threshold should be much lower than it is right now if they still want to remain relevant in the new EV world. Sure, you could argue that Porsche doesn't sell a ton of cars a year, yet everyone knows it, but it's not "relevant" to most people.
I see it as kind of like the iphone. Way too much capability for everyone. The car makes no noise and goes 0-60 under 5 seconds, and it will do the accelerator and the steering wheel when things get boring, and it avoids other cars, and has a giant screen with real maps ...
..and then everybody adapts and they add those features to their list of "normal"
From the article: "In 2017, Lucid Motors announced an aggressive $60,000 base price for its luxury all-electric sedan, the Lucid Air, with a range of 240 miles and some other interesting specs."