Drivers followed a Google Maps detour and ended up stuck in an empty field
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It happened gradually. First I was directed to a well maintained gravel road, then to dirt track, which slowly faded away to nothing.
I was driving a 4x4, had an almost full tank, a load of groceries in back and plenty of time, so I went with it for quite a while. There are lots of long dirt tracks in this area and I kept hoping that it was still a short cut. The shortest alternate route was around 90 minutes longer.
I think most travelers would have bailed at the first turn off of the pavement. I waited until the stream bed sand was getting deep before turning around. But for some optimistic, mobility impaired person, it could have been a death trap. I've adjusted my expectations of Google Maps accordingly.
This takes you over Hayden Pass Rd. Here are some 4WD driving tips for the route: https://www.dangerousroads.org/north-america/usa/3939-hayden...
"It’s a real challenging road and a true test of your vehicle and your stamina because the road abounds in twists and turns with wheels sometimes hanging above the precipice."
"There is a very narrow section of shelf road before you get to the top that is very dangerous if icy. There are no rocks to stop you from sliding off the side. This section should not be attempted if there is any ice at all."
I'm a little surprised that Google gave this route to me with no warning. It's also comical to say you can get the drive done in 30 minutes.
Unfortunately in outback WA, many tourists have experienced this and succumbed to it.
Google also sent thousands of tourists to a small residential street in the middle of the Australian Blue Mountains. It wasn't until a major masthead picked up on the story[1] that they bothered to do anything about it, despite the dozens to hundreds of requests to make a change.
https://www.smh.com.au/technology/how-google-got-lost-in-the...
Edit: nevermind, I saw more further south that looked like crop fields, a bit of google-fu revealed them as center-pivot irrigation systems. Interesting trade of resources-- some loss of arable land due to the circular arrangement, presumably in return for lower costs of the irrigation setup. Still looks like some weird biohazard outbreak from the aerial viewpoint of google maps.
Four or five years ago, Apple Maps routed me to Smugglers' Notch ski area through the notch, which is closed in the winter. This past winter, it routed me through the notch on a dirt road which is not maintained year round, then I followed another road that looked like it went through until I got to a locked gate at a farm.
Interesting how maps are just data, and the level of trust we put into them is up to us. I don't trust Apple Maps any more. Waze is usually pretty good, possibly due to the real-time data from other users.
Personally I love the adventure of following lines on maps where I haven't been before, as long as there aren't any time/other pressures.
They have had a huge problem with tractor trailer drivers following their gps through there and getting stuck. There are now 3-4 electronic signs on each side warning truckers.
I've learned to approach the directions it gives me with skepticism.
Last weekend Waze directed me onto a private airport's runway. On the return trip, I switched to the Offline Maps app, and it led me to a dead end. Haven't ever seen 2 screwups by 2 different apps on 2 different routes in one day.
I’m not even convinced they were faster; the speed limit is technically 60mph on those little lanes but you can’t safely get above ~25.
Meanwhile there’s a slightly less direct but far less stressful route along A-roads, where you can comfortably do 40-60 and don’t have to reverse 300 yards to a passing point if someone is coming the other way.
We found ourselves in desperate need of an “avoid routes via unnamed roads” option.
Drug runners will drop cars off to be picked up and have some dude off in the distance watching the car. Getting nosey can get you shot.
Did you happen to follow a road in to the Acoma reservation in the El Malpais?
If you don't mind, could you shoot me an email (in my profile)? Interesting to find another HN'er in this area of the world.
It happened gradually. First I was directed to a well maintained gravel road, then to dirt track, which slowly faded away to nothing.
Same thing happened to me near Lancaster, California. You make the turn because it looks like a road, and eventually you're in a place where you can't turn around spinning your wheels on sand with a "Transmission overheat" alert on the dashboard.
Thanks, Google!
That's the reasonable thing to do if you were on your way to the airport. I've ignored GPS directions that were far less dubious than this simply because it didn't feel right.
There are signs indicating that trucks should not travel that road... And yet there are no options on any gps product that causes the correct 'take the main road' to occur for them. Ironically, only the Bing truck maps api will route around it if you put in the truck's length (because of the hairpins).
I know of many truckers (we call them truckies) who've had tickets issued because of being on the wrong road due to Google.
The problem with trucks are that they also require: minimum turning circle (eg hairpins), maximum load (old timber bridges and old roads), maximum widths (narrow roads or extra wide loads), residential zone exclusions (eg no trucks via certain suburban streets). In my country there are also statewide maximum truck speeds making Google time estimates inaccurate. There's also no consideration for the slower acceleration time of a truck, meaning that heavy (/city) traffic for a truck can add loads of time to a trip due to the stop/start.
Garmin dēzl 580 LMT-S https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/589643
Rand McNally TND 740 https://store.randmcnally.com/tnd-740.html
TomTom Trucker 600 https://www.tomtom.com/en_us/drive/truck/
Truckers can enter their vehicle size and hazardous material. Routes consider height, weight, grade, turning, and other restrictions.
I had less luck, got stuck, and had a very panic-inducing experience leading to me hike a mountain to get reception to call 911 (the only # I could dial) for a tow.
Food is hardly useful when you’re stranded for less than 2 weeks.
In Phoenix area healthy hydrated people die hiking common trails in parks around the city because they arent acclimated. Weather is harsh.
Statement: Disabled people aren't accustomed to flying by the seat of their pants, because it isn't feasible for them.
Response: Able bodied people die too.
Well yes, everyone knows that and it isn't relevant to what it's responding to.
The point for me is that bad GPS is a potential threat to human life; exactly which humans are in most danger is an interesting side discussion.
Why would they report that to Apple?
Serious question.
Does Google maps use data from Apple now or something?
Isn't the dream to be able to sit in the back seat and read a book or take a nap? The human occupant might not be aware anything's wrong until the vehicle is running out of battery or gas, or gets stuck in the sand (from the parent's experience).
There's a pass through the mountains near me that gets shut down during the winter due to snow every year. I go up there usually but don't need to go all the way through - and was surprised this year to see an official CalTrans sign saying:
"Your GPS is lying to you! The pass is closed! Turn back!"
I suppose enough people every year ignore the road closure signs and continue all the way until they get stuck... how would an autonomous vehicle know any better either?
But definitely we will see the "German family dies in death valley due to navigator failure" headline.
Not much different than today, then: http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/search-and-rescue/the-hun...
It isn't that I can't easily solve these problems if I'm looking at the map, but since it is incapable of having me make a left turn it will often plot an "optimal" route that is 15 minutes longer than it should be, because the real optimal route looks like it takes longer due to the routing error. Not to mention that it often confuses delivery drivers. Note, that the incorrect route typically comes from the Android version of Google maps, but if I go on the web interface the route will be ok.
Sell all your property, move to India and get a job on their equivalent version of Mechanical Turk.
Or you can install OsmAnd and use the OSM dataset, which is not as comprehensive, but it doesn't many lies. At most, outdated data.
A 406MHz beacon is going to be relevant to a lot of scenarios that people get into in large sparsely populated countries like the US or Australia, because it means somebody knows where you are and that you need help, and then all they've got to do is come help you.
But seriously this is a pretty dangerous situation, especially in the snowy mountains. I remember reading an article about a Tesla engineer getting stuck on a trail in the Sierra's and his Jeep eventually being buried in 10+ ft of snow.
Edit: Found the article
https://jalopnik.com/a-tesla-engineers-jeep-ended-up-under-1...
Those won't use Google Maps.
All evidence is that the market will be dominated almost entirely by Tesla. In April Tesla presented[1] their state of the art in autonomous car vehicle design.
Elon repeatedly emphasized that GPS was inadequate and systems relying on it will fail. The Tesla full self-driving computer, already currently installed in nearly all Tesla vehicles, does not use GPS data to compute the driving solution.
P.S: Keep in mind that GPS is a positioning system, not a navigation system. Navigation comes from the mapping data used by GPS devices, and as for that autonomous vehicles needn't rely on the low quality map data from Google Maps other any other provider. A massive fleet of Tesla vehicles are providing constant validation of navigable routes right now.
(edit: updated link time to a couple of particularly relevant questions and answers in the same video)
They will use mapping data, and that is not a problem because the mapping data they have comes from their fleet of cars on the road which upload that data daily.
If any car encounters an incorrectly mapped route all cars will know it. And I expect you will not be able to create an autonomous route that a Tesla car has not already successfully traveled.
The problem of reporting issues to Google Maps is removed.
Since you mentioned Tesla’s current systems, note that this is how they work now. Lane keeping is entirely local, but decisions about which lane to be in or which exit to take to reach your destination are done with your GPS position.
The op's assertion that autonomous vehicles rely "heavily" on GPS data is false. The problem he presents will not occur.
This won't happen because the computer does not use GPS to determine drivability and will not drive the car into underivable conditions, and the computer will have selected a drivable route to begin with because it can select from routes that have previously been driven. If a route that was previously drivable becomes underivable due to local conditions, the car simply re-routes.
Neither the apparent drivability of mapping data, nor position within that data as computed by GPS effect the car's ability to travel autonomously from point A to point B.
It's certainly not reading signs. The system doesn't currently have that capability. It's a combination of GPS (to know where it is) and maps (to know how to go from where it is to the destination).
I 100% agree with you that the problems presented in the original comment wouldn't be an issue. The cars will use local data to determine whether a surface is drivable. They won't drive into sand or deep snow just because the navigation says that they should.
But that's not the same as your statement that they won't use GPS at all. And your statement that Tesla currently doesn't use GPS in their systems is plainly wrong.
I did not say Tesla's don't use GPS, they do. I said "It is unlikely that fully autonomous cars will use any GPS at all". My argument is not that you can't get google maps in your car, my argument is that the autonomous cars of the "Utopian future" will not need google maps to function, much less leave you stranded in an incorrectly mapped location.
Even when the directions are accurate and the pronunciation is good (ha) and the turns are correct, they're completely mechanical. Every turn is given with exactly the same precision and urgency as every other turn. If I were telling you how to get where I'm going this afternoon, I'd start by saying "get on I-5 north". My phone would say "go 50 feet, then take a left onto X, then go 200 feet, then take a right onto Y", and so on. I don't know until 5 seconds before I hit the on-ramp that I'm just supposed to get on the freeway.
Worse, often it'll be the case that the instructions are given late enough that if you wait to consider or second-guess them, you'll miss the turn. (And roads are not in general designed to make recovery easy, so missing a turn can add quite a bit of time, especially if it sends you into a tunnel, across a bridge -- or worse, waiting in line for a drawbridge.) There's many places where it will say "take a right ... now take a left", and I've got half a block to get across 4 lanes of traffic. Get moving now! (Lane sweeping is legal in California but nowhere else I know of.)
In essence, it's treating me like a computer, and feeding me literal instructions one at a time. It's training me to blindly accept and immediately act on them. It's not surprising that people do.
I care less about improving the (comically bad) pronunciation of local names than I do about getting instructions that are phrased like a human being does. "Get on I-5 north -- it's just like you're going to ${other_place_you_go_every_week} but you'll turn right on ${other_street} instead of ${normal_street}." Then there could be a giant button for "Break it down for me -- I need more details".
Little in GPS navigation is worse than not knowing which lane the phone wants me to be in on a freeway exit that has 5 lanes at the first light and traffic jams for the next 4 lights next to the freeway because civic planners just haven't been able to get the flow moving away from the injection site fast enough.
Here in Japan I use a local navigation app called NAVITIME and it has a mode to show a list of upcoming turns normally as well. On the highway it also shows upcoming rest stops and what facilities they have.
Also, it will often recalculate with the assumption that you can immediately follow its directions, even though by the time it's finished saying them you're already past the next turn (and then the next, and then the next...).
From personal experience, Apple Maps is more useful in Death Valley than Google Maps. But the National Parks Service is very clear that the only maps that should be used in that area are paper maps, and not GPS of any brand. I agree.
https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2012/10/mi...
Haven't people died following paper maps, or even reading signs?
That is to say, it tracks where people drive, and when people drive in the same place often, it flags it as a common route and therefore must be a road! I have a hunting lease in rural Texas, and the most common trails within the property are all highlighted as roads in Google maps. In fact, as I cleared out a trail a year ago and started using that trail as a way to reach one point on the ranch, it has now also become highlighted!
You'd be a fool to cut someone's locked gate to take such a route, but it does offer them as routes to me were I to ask how, for example, to arrive at the entrance gate of the property north of us. The only legal (and passable) route is actually to go south, then east, then north, then west. However, google maps says "Hey, just take this trail straight north."
do you know this to be true, or are you just guessing?
I live in a less rural area but I've still noticed a handful of things in my area marked as more complete roads than they should be. Nobody in person would mistake them for even the lowest grade of official road in use around here.
https://support.google.com/surveys/answer/6315313?hl=en
They ask you questions about train rides and bus rides as well. Google doesn’t buy data any more, they collect it.
Why wouldn’t they be tracking where people drive and building maps about new roads from that?
again, is this something you know to be true, or are you just guessing?
The highlighted tracks are private, mud-ridden trails on private property. If I'm sitting in that house, and ask Google to direct to me to the address directly north of my location, it will direct me to take that trail to the north. Which, BTW, will lead me to a locked gate and another trail on the other side of the fence. The correct answer is to send me south to the county road, east to the next county road, north to the next county road, and then west via county road due north of where I am. Those trails are not roads that google would otherwise know about.
In all seriousness, unless I knew the area very well, it would have happened to me as well.
Technically valid, but damn did I feel stupid.
The problem is that there really isn’t good support for planning and saving a precise route in Google maps (and I assume Apple maps as well). I can sort of hack it by setting a bunch of intermediary destinations along the way to force certain roads, and share that trip with my phone. But that’s clunky and even then Google has a tendency to want to change things on me at the last minute. I also live in an area where there is no support for downloading maps to use offline, so there is a risk of going out of cell service range and losing GPS support.
Maybe I am asking too much of free software and should be using paid navigation software. Does anyone have any suggestions? Particularly something that has good map data in Japan?
For years after the Kumamoto earthquake, Google Maps would still try to take you down closed roads. Meanwhile NAVITIME will even warn you of road construction where traffic has been constricted to one lane with alternating stoplights. Their data is fantastically detailed.
It also has built-in rain/snow precipitation maps, and shows road closures from VICS data in realtime.
It is definitely far less aggressive about routing me down narrow back streets than google maps - which is a major gripe I have with both google and apple maps. I tend to prioritize a safe, stress-free drive over saving a minute or two. It also has support for bike paths, which google does not support in my area (although you need to be vigilant as one test tried to route me down an unpaved road which is definitely not accessible by bike).
I wouldn't say it's a perfect solution, but I can see the potential benefits over google. I'll give it a try for a bit!
I always choose "Car" as a vehicle so that Google Maps only shows me roads, but you wouldn't believe the number of times that Google maps has recommend me short cuts through 5km long dirt roads or longer. It happens a couple of times per month. With a car those shortcuts might have worked, but with a road bike 5km dirt road is a no go.
Every time I choose "Bicycle" I essentially get recommended 100km of dirt roads. The app is completely useless for road cycling.
Earlier this year I had to travel 1400km with the car each week. I always used Google Maps in an advisory role only - listening to the radio was always a better advisor than Google Maps. Its fastest route algorithm was always reliably wrong. I had the feeling it was always getting stuck in local minima, and it had zero foresight for how traffic works. Just because there is a 10 min traffic jam near to a big city at 5pm when I am still 300 km away does not meant that the jam will still be there in 2-3 hours (7-8pm), and that taking a completely different route that's 50km longer and has a much lower speed limit is going to be faster. No human would make that mistake, but Google maps reliably does.
I wish the App would allow you to select the fastest route independently of traffic, and I wish it would give you the reason for the traffic jams (was there an accident? did they close the highway? etc.).
What I don't understand is how the Navigation apps of other manufacturers (Daimler, VW, BMW, ...) do not have these problems. While driving, I'd see the navigation device in the car telling me a meaningful route, and Google maps telling me to do something completely absurd.
At the end of the day, you are the driver. It's your job to pick up your information sources, and weight them accordingly.
But even here, where you'd think the map coverage would be near strongest, I've occasionally had an app attempt to route me down a private drive or a fire road. In fact, if you look for hiking trailheads frequently enough, I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen to you.
That's a class of cases where I'd hope most users are keeping their head about them as they travel; hiking as recreation requires that of its participants.
Still, edge cases matter, and the closer we get to a world of autonomous vehicles, they matter more.
Can't speak for Greece, but I've had a really analogous experience in Czech Republic - as a city dweller, I've used Google Maps for all sorts of things around Prague without issue. Once you move past the Central Bohemia region, however, the data gets just as spotty and unreliable as you described. Mapy.cz saved my ass and has impressive detail even in quite rural areas (then again, OpenStreetMap is frequently much better than Google Maps as well.)
It can be hard to not follow a crowd in those situations.
The real problem with the short cut is it was not announced or optioned in my g maps via Android Auto, instead given as a primary route. I noticed it was different (but started on a major highway) and didn't realize what was happening until it was too late.
Also G maps had me cross over 4 lanes of traffic in rush hour over a 50 foot distance to make a left turn. Their algo has gotten more aggressive and not for the better.
It also wants me to spend >$10 on tolls to save 2 minutes over a 30-minute drive on some routes. I wish there were a way to make it ignore tolls unless it saves a significant amount of time.
It has some useful features that can go completely undiscovered because they're hidden in screens you wouldn't go on if you're sitting in your car getting ready to drive.
Waze has the same options and in my opinion are better presented, since it's much more tailored towards driving navigation.
Also, reading this HN thread, I'm glad I'm on a small island with exceedingly well-documented road systems (UK). I think you'd have to be in the northernmost parts of Scotland to really have an issue with dumb route planning here. Had a fun experience when exploring the island of Gran Canaria, where maps wanted us to drive our small rear-wheel-drive rental car down what felt like a 60 degree hill, what was essentially a riverbed with tree roots sticking out of it. Some people on quad bikes had to wait for us to crawl down it with foot constantly on the brakes. Maps had marked it as not even a trail or a small road or whatever but a bonafide 2-lane road!
Speaking of the UK, I drove around The Lake District and I have so say some of those narrow village roads almost made me feel like I'd taken a wrong turn :) I've heard stories of trucks getting stuck between houses.
1) Sent me back across the San Mateo bridge unnecessarily while driving to a date.
2) Sent me to a different building on the opposite side of the highway, 1.4 miles away, while driving to a job interview.
3) Sent me to a different building on a different block while walking to a job interview.
Woah. I felt bad for you just reading this. That's at least a hit of 30 min (if you have to go to cross the bridge and come back). If this happened during commute hours, this could be a 1.5 hour delay!
EDIT: I guess it happens a lot to people unfamiliar with the area going to Foster City via 92 east. If you miss the last exit, you have to take a 14 mile U turn!
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8127579,-104.7167676,3a,75y,...
Google Maps shows that the road ends there. There's a parallel paved road a mile south, which even has signs for the airport. Both routes are about the same length.
Edit: Hang on, Google Maps is using some (at least) five year old imagery in their satellite view, and possibly for their routing. The roads in that area were a bit different then compared to later images from Google Earth, so the dirt road would have been about 0.8 miles shorter. I wonder if this sort of thing accounts for many GPS glitches?
Many of them ended of being goat and cow trails that google mistook as roads, ironically most of the time there was a perfectly good highway nearby but Google would notice some dirt path directly through a mountain pass looked just a little bit closer.
I documented one of these sidetracks:
https://andrew-max.github.io/adventure/2017/03/24/huamachuco...
https://www.facebook.com/eldoradonf/posts/morman-emigrant-trail-two-wheel-drive-and-all-wheel-drive-vehicles-are-prohibite/912508805550215
Even so, every year people still drive past the sign trying to get through to Carson Pass.As we were driving West through Nevada, we reached Winnemucca - and faced a decision. We could detour severely south via route 80 to Reno, and head back North, or take route 49, which looked to be on the map an improved road, in more or less our direction of travel. Turns out that this "Jungo Road" was really nothing more than a heavily rutted dirt road past some seemingly abandoned mines, that skirted the Black Rock Desert and served as an access road to where Burning Man is held. A few hours of skull rattling bumpy road and one super dirty rental car air filter later, we finally emerged back onto a nicely paved road near Gerlach.
On the bad side, one time when going to a small festival I got routed down this tiny narrow lane that ended up at a dead end leading into a couple of fields. Luckily there was just enough room to turn round (though it was a squeeze) and I was able to find signs to the festival.
On the good side, the first time I ever used it to plan a route to my mum's in Wales it took me a a very odd direction, and I was paranoid that I was going the wrong way, but I got to my destination perfectly and a lot more quickly than the old routes I planned myself using a map.
I've also once or twice used it to plan a cycle route and it's found little cycle paths and back ways that I never knew existed and were a bit quicker (and a lot safer) than going along the main roads.
But god heavens is it useless outside the US. I can list numerous examples from Asia: roads not existing anymore, new ones not listed, POIs generally so out of date they’d better not even be on there, WRONG bus routes all over Hong Kong with stops and lines not even remotely correct, walking directions don’t take pedestrian walkways and bridges into account (telling you often to walk over half a mile/1km whereas a direct walkway used by thousands of workers a day is only 40m), names of POIs sometimes translated, sometimes not making it hard to find a branch of a line of stores because they all have different type of names now and and and.
They look nice though.
The car ended up bouncing hard into several craters - if we hadn't been going verrrry slowly we could have ended up sliding down it.
I wondered when we arrived why the hire was 300EUR for a week, and the car was still a terrible old piece of junk ... so when I handed it back and pointed out the dent in the bottom panel the hire guys grinned and said "have a great flight home!"
Thanks for the holiday memories, Maps!
Before that I could pretty much rely on Google maps to get me to my destination without any trouble at all.
I wonder what changed? or if its been this way all along.
Recently I've been to some places with GPS, it is a major help, but sometimes you need to stop, see that it's leading you into a wrong path (it can be for a multitude of reasons like city works or you did something wrong before) and correct course.
I never rely on it or any GPS.
One time in Martinique, it sent me down a road that had been closed for five years.
I bought a Michelin printed roadmap after that, it showed that the road in question was closed!
You have been warned :)
The title of the video really ruins it, but it was amazingly funny when I saw it the first time not knowing what to expect :D
I'd wager it didn't get muddy immediately upon starting down that road. Once it did, though, it was probably too late with a line of cars behind you and nowhere to go but forward.
You could leave a little earlier.
But, more generally, I agree. It's hard not to follow the GPS and road conditions can change rapidly.
My own anecdote... driving along 495 outside DC, there's a crash on the Woodrow Wilson, and the GPS says "take some side roads" to all 10,000 of us on that stretch of interstate. Massive gridlock ensues, not just on the interstate, but also all the surrounding neighborhood roads as cars tried to pass through parking lots and alleys to get home.
I've faced the same situation but I was alone, and I didn't take the dirt road.
99 cars stuck in the field, 99 stuck cars
turn one round, drive it arround, 98 stuck cars in the field....It's also a private road and it's unclear whether it's supposed to be open to the public.
As a backcountry motorcyclist I'm accustomed to coming upon roads that are "private" because some rancher decided to hang a sign but in reality it's a public right-of-way. Also as a backcountry motorcyclist I'm smart enough to not drive a Prius down a mud trail. Not sure what is wrong with people today. We have more information than ever, we should be making better decisions than ever, but the truth is the opposite.
Ended up having a fairly civil conversation with the "owner" before turning around, but he was adamant that I was on private property and would not be allowed to continue.
Did the owner know it was Google's "influence" causing people to trespass? If so had the owner informed Google?
It was ~15 miles shorter than the highway route, but I can't imagine its actually a shorter travel time in anything short of a very well equipped 4x4. I just happen to like dirt roads.
I also did not press him for details, so I don't know if this was a recurring issue or not.
Not sure they care about Googles influence at all.
Edited to include the relevant laws:
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm#D
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm#C
From this source:
See Texas Penal Code §9.31 (castle doctrine as it relates to trespass and non-deadly force) and §9.32 (castle doctrine as it relates to habitation and deadly force).
There are other codes however allowing for the use of deadly force
is also justified in using deadly force if: (1) he reasonably believes that it is necessary to use force to prevent or terminate the trespass; and (2) he reasonably believes deadly force is necessary to prevent the trespasser from committing certain crimes, such as arson, burglary, or robbery.
Just stating a word of caution. Life is different than the city and laws vary but landowners have significant rights.
I live in AZ and am surrounded by reservation or BLM land. There are no clear markers marking the difference.
You don't go around shooting people you see on your property. "You did WHAT Jim? Because you saw some guy out in the cotton?"
(Now watch that same individual in this thread come back and say, "well, it's not like that in cotton country, but where they're ranching..." and...no.)
What I am cautioning some people about is living in southern AZ (and I am sure TX) there are specific dangers and police are sometimes over an hour away. ( most of the time at least 30 minutes)
Drug runners and coyotes do operate out here and if you interact with someone who lives in an area like this they see that stuff.
Following your GPS and ending up in a wash you shouldnt be in can create a situation where a landowner, who knows police arent coming anytime soon to protect him, can be a bit nervous.
Most people have guns in their trucks out here too.
It is not the same as a city but nowhere did I say folks out in the country are gunning to shoot someone.
I did say be careful. Not all of the news about bad stuff on the border is dramatized.
Edit
Not to mention you might run into the drug runner or coyote who is already not following laws
How is it hard to see ? Ever been shot at walking around what amounts to your extended backyard ?
IMO that's the issue. People get so overly confident that the source of that information is never wrong so they blindly trust it. It's if the more info someone has the less critical thinking they will do.