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> Apparently the smaller-handed have given up on single-handed use several phone generations ago, so they have nothing to lose from even bigger phones.

Yes, we do - RSI issues on the medical front and at some point you also simply exceed pocket size. For some of my jeans, a current generation Google Pixel barely fits into the pockets without sticking out at the top.

For me the ideal phone would be an iPhone SE running Android. There must be a market for this sort of thing and it doesn't make any sense to me that no company is even trying to play in it.

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Women have been putting them in purses instead of pants pockets for a long time. Pockets usually aren't even an option for womens' clothing.

Huh? I constantly see iPhones sticking out of womens' back pockets.

Because it's the only pocket available on most of our pants. The front pockets are sewn shut or cut in half to maintain a feminine silhouette in jeans. They often remove the zipper for the same reason.

Even this back pocket is small and a bad way to carry a phone, as evidenced by the fact that you can see it sticking out. You can't sit and you can't run without the fear of dropping it.

That's a silly statement. Nearly every woman I know carries it in the back pocket of her jeans/pants. Some will also carry it in their purse when her clothes don't have usable pockets.

This is entirely dependent on where you live, and where iPhone sales are concentrated. Look at the charts in [1] below. iPhone sales in China + Japan + the world > US + Europe. Women in Asia more frequently wear skirts to work, and tend to carry purses/shoulderbags more than, say, a casually-dressed American woman might. So it's not silly for >50% of iPhone sales (and also >50% of our species, see [2] below) to be heavily impacted by the market in countries where women "dressing down" is less tolerated or prevalent.

Note: I'm a dude who also prefers smaller phones. I have a used iPhone 5S but my primary phones are a slightly larger Android phone and a very large rugged Chinese phone (giant battery, dual SIM, good RAM, this is my travel phone).

[1]https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-sales-region-ch... [2]https://brilliantmaps.com/population-circle/

True. Thanks for the links and context. I was more responding to the blanket statement that women don't wear pockets. :)

That's a silly statement

No, it's silly to assume that your experiences are the only experiences that exist.

Nearly every woman I know carries it in the back pocket of her jeans/pants

Most of the women I know only wear jeans on weekends. And some, not even then. I don't own a pair of jeans at all. My wife has one that she breaks out for Halloween or gardening.

Some will also carry it in their purse when her clothes don't have usable pockets.

Some women can't carry a purse with them all day to stick a phone in. For example, shopgirls in high-end boutiques, who can't hold a purse while doing their jobs, and also wear clothing that more often than not does not have pockets.

At one time Burberry made a cross-body purse that was just a strap and a tasteful phone case. It was very popular among the class of women for whom jeans aren't a fashion go-to.

> No, it's silly to assume that your experiences are the only experiences that exist.

It's impolite to mansplain. Tracyshaun was course-correcting the following generalization:

> Women have been putting them in purses instead of pants pockets for a long time. Pockets usually aren't even an option for womens' clothing.

It's doubly impolite to put words in someone's mouth, such as stating that someone is assuming their own experiences are the only ones that matter ("your experiences are the only experiences that exist" -- not something Tracyshaun said or even implied). When read appropriately, Tracyshaun's comment reads as disputing a generalization with Tracyshaun's own personal experiences and those of friends.

We can make HN an even better place to comment by correcting such generalizations the way Tracyshaun did and not mansplaining people for re-baselining our expectations.

What is your point? That men should start to carry more men purses just to carry their tablet sized phones?

> There must be a market for this sort of thing

There is, but I'm not sure it's big enough. Sony plugged away at it for years with their Compact devices, and they were... not bad, all things considered. But they've stopped with the latest generation.

Ha. I finally gave up my "real" denim jeans and started wearing "stretchy" jeans because it was difficult to even walk, and forget sitting down, with my phone in the pockets.

There are a lot of no name small phones on Aliexpress. The problem, is the unverified quality.

A lot of people seem to have given up on cramming phones in pants pockets, too.

Kickstarter a replacement board?

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