Nasa Rover on Mars Detects Puff of Gas That Hints at Possibility of Life
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I don't get it. You'd think that whether there's life on Mars today is the most interesting and important question to answer. Why aren't any of these rovers designed to answer it?
That's a failure of a spectacularly stupid way of framing the question. More a case of "One of the many things we'll look for is signs of current life on Mars" rather than "Our mission is to boldly find life on Mars. Don't care about anything else"
How is it failure to ask the question, then be able to answer it? It just is. It's as interesting to know as if there was life on Mars in the past. It's not, however a failure by any stretch of the imagination.
Sure I see how simplistic social and web news has made things, and the promotion of minority views, but did we really descend that far into the Idiocracy? :(
We don't have the ability to definitively detect or not detect life on Mars. So if we send a machine with the goal of detecting life and it doesn't, well maybe it's there we just didn't detect it.
So it's better to pretend that we can't actually detect while actually sending detectors.
You send a probe to find life, it found no life? No money for the mission ops next year, cut the comms and go do something else. You send a probe to perform scientific measurement around life-bearing capability past and present? You can exploit the sunk-cost fallacy to request ops budget year after year, because it's now hard to just cut people off from a firehose of sweet science data. "Look how much we got for X$, for a few extra Y$ we can have a whole year more of that!".
> Sure I see how simplistic social and web news has made things, and the promotion of minority views, but did we really descend that far into the Idiocracy? :(
I think the truth is closer to "individuals are smart, societies are dumb".
I highly doubt this.
And then to suggest how, being bright as a thousand suns, you would obtain fancy space rovers if you say “I want to check out moon chemistry” and the public goes “pffft.”
Instead, we look for things associated with life. Methane can be produced by life, so let's see where it's coming from first and then worry about whether we can send a probe there. Maybe look for organic molecules, then try to see if there is a trail to life. Try to figure out where on Mars liquid water exists, since that is a prerequisite for life as we know it.
And in the meantime, there's plenty of basic science to be done. Geology teaches us about what Mars was like a long time ago. That too can give us a hint towards whether life was possible, and where. Understanding the atmosphere and its routine seasonal swings helps us understand the environment so that later, when looking for life, we don't get excited and confuse a weather phenomena with evidence of life.
Lastly, physics of our probes dictates where we can send them. For our best, heaviest probes, we don't have room on the rocket for a lot of fuel to slow down. So sites need to have low elevation to give parachutes a chance to slow us down. If we want the probe to be powered by solar, we need to be near the equator. Even if not powered by solar, we probably want to avoid being near the poles where winter can last a whole Earth year.
Somewhere near water might be a good start. There are plenty of candidates for this on Mars already.
Also, I'm sure plenty of people at NASA and other space agencies have thought of this, and there are probably some good reasons for not doing it, but why not take some deep core samples and look through them with a microscope for anything moving?
Not that creatures that can be seen moving under a microscope would exhaust all possible forms of life, but wouldn't it be a good start rather than looking for traces of what might have existed on Mars millions or billions of years ago?
Looking for basic components of or traces of life and only then later starting to look for existing life itself seems like the going the long way around. Why not just go for the gold from the start?
I would guess the difficulty of taking that sample would be one reason - in particular, the difficulty of building, shipping and operating necessary hardware. The best we've done so far is AFAIK the 5m thermometer-tipped drill on the Insight lander, which drilled ~30cm down and broke. We really need cheaper access to Mars for such missions, so that we could send more and heavier hardware for less.
Boston Dynamics Atlas probably wouldn't survive the journey, nor the radiation, nor the heat swings. Mars rover is specifically designed to do handle crazy unknown failures, that's what makes it complex. Having a complex robot and trying to make it resistant to all those failure modes is simply too difficult for today's engineering.
You could try throwing it under a microscope, but environments like that have very few actual organisms per mass. You're looking for a needle in a haystack of tiny rocks.
One way that does work is that you take it to a lab, treat it appropriately to extract the soluble DNA or RNA and then dump the results into a giant PCR machine to sequence whatever comes out. The reaction amplifies whatever might be there, so you're guaranteed to get a partial sequence, which you can then match to a database of known organisms and see if you found anything new. In fact this is a real technique and new microbes are discovered regularly doing this.
Now put all that stuff on a 1000kg spacecraft.
The point is that you don't just "design a spacecraft to answer the question of whether there is life on Mars today". It's expensive, and you have to match your science to your budget. These instruments looking for biochemistry are a valid and useful first step.
It would forever become a harbinger, reminder that life can come and go on any planet.
2) overnight, it would shift our estimate of the likelihood of life forming into "terrifyingly likely". Terrifying, because if life forms on any planet even roughly like Earth, the idea of aliens showing up one day and killing us all is suddenly horribly plausible.
If there is life it is buried under metres of rock and/or ice, probably in areas of hydrothermal activity.
"The core of mars is actually molten. The pressure there is 40 gigapascal. hat is 400,000 times the pressure of earth’s surface. The core is about 1500 degrees Kelvin, or 1230 Celsius."
There is bound to be an equilibrium between 1230C and the surface temperature
Surface temperature of Mars Celsius −143 °C[12] −63 °C 35 °C
" 6° C per km" https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/14875/what-is-...
6C*6km = 36C degrees Celsius at 6km depth which would be a favourable temperature for bacteria.
We have drilled a 12km on Earth in Russia Kola peninsula so we should be able to build a robotic oil drill platform send it To Mars and drill deep into the Mars core. The drill will have temperature monitoring sensors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_Superdeep_Borehole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Continental_Deep_Drilli...
"Methanogens have been found in several extreme environments on Earth – buried under kilometres of ice in Greenland and living in hot, dry desert soil. They are known to be the most common archaebacteria in deep subterranean habitats. Live microbes making methane were found in a glacial ice core sample retrieved from about three kilometres under Greenland by researchers from the University of California, Berkeley. They also found a constant metabolism able to repair macromolecular damage, at temperatures of 145C to –40C °" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanogen
Mass of Kola drill platform? 100 000 tons?