Zhaoxin KX-6000 CPUs Purportedly Match Intel's Core I5-7400 in Performance
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And every time it's the same pattern. First it's "hah look they make these cheap inferior copies" then quality improves and gets on par so it changes to "well they just copy our products and then sell them for cheaper because labor costs are much lower" and then when they finally start to innovate and excel everybody is super surprised cause it was just stupid Japanese/Korean/Chinese copying our technology without really understanding it so how could they possibly make something on their own?
(yes, obviously not everybody, but this is pretty much a simplified/exaggerated version of the overall sentiment)
That's where the big freakout is coming from.
This also aligns with a long term goal of taking over Taiwan.
Capitalism absolutely fails when there's "too much" surplus.
Social focused alternatives also fail to survive in to human implementation because power corrupts and greed ruins everything.
We need some benevolent dictators to do slightly wrong things for the right reasons, and a lot of right things for the right reasons, to break our cultures out of the insanity that infects them.
Or maybe someone can come up with a greed proof form of governance and resource allocation that can tolerate the inherent failure modes associated with using humans as cogs in the system.
Europe in particular, isn't, for the most part a "Failure of capitalism" -- people are living well enough, much better than in China for instance.
The problem here is that even though by most humane standards the average european or american could be better off than the average chinese, perhaps exactly because of this China will achieve more competitively. Maybe optimum standards of living doesn't coincide with optimum productivity. What then?
That's a problem for the US in particular because its core justification, so to speak, [for the American social-political-economic system] was this entire premise: 'More productive, more competitive, means ultimately means better in every way'. 'The US was more productive than the USSR, therefore Socialism is bad'; 'We win in competition therefore we have the greater future'. But if China, as a an authoritarian surveillance state is more productive than the US, how to sustain this thesis?
And how to deal with China if they may be bound to outgrow their peers in the future? What if they start spreading this cultural modus operandi justified precisely by economic productivity?
For me the answer is obvious: this thesis must be abandoned. There are two ways to deal with an enemy that is willing to sacrifice humanity in the name of slightly better performance.
(1) Through international law: make agreements and regulations demanding standards of living, democratic minima, etc. that apply globally.
(2) Though conflict/direct competition. If an authoritarian hegemony is expanding and threatening our core values, and there is no other way to stop, then you should do the necessary to stop them, degrading temporarily the standards of living to outpace them and override their doctrine in the expectation to restore to a more humane program afterwards. I don't condone the practices of the USSR (it was a very authoritarian and problematic regime on its own), but this is mostly their rationale through the Cold War; this aspect of their ideal at least seems very reasonable to me.
Let's hope that either
(a) China's approach ultimately doesn't actually show to be as effective as it seems;
(b) They fail to expand their regime/doctrine and collapse from internal democratic pressure (unlikely as control/surveillance technology expands);
(c) International treaties control the situation and enforce better human rights
Before the West needs to enter a conflict.
Note how this goes against Nature: we'd be refusing to let the most 'fit' nation out-compete and dominate others through some global coordination, and try to enter a suboptimal (in the competitive sense) quasi-steady-state. It isn't clear we can achieve this, but this would a most beautiful achievement of humanity. Finally taking destiny into our own hands free from the current make of A Blind Watchmaker. Being blind, those Watchmaker very often fail to prevent disasters stemming from their work, another significant sign of its troubles: with our inability, but also necessity, to achieve global coordination in sacrificing maximum naive development speed (but helping humanity's environment in the long run).
Huge oil reserves with a country as small as Norway which has a tiny population.
And we can argue lots of these resources were acquired at the time when colonialism was a thing and rest all development is built upon surplus from that.
Maybe not all European countries were colonists but later they'll make a union and trade will be free in that union resulting in some countries losing their land and companies to foreign European countries (as happened in some East European countries)
So the union ensured that they'll be bailed out on the back of those powerful European countries.
Europe is a special case in a book with homogenous population, so religious or racial difference isn't resulting in serious disagreement and violence and this brings a lot of stability to it.
All I want to say is China does not have same advantages as European country so it might not work the way you imagine without Chinese Communist Party.
Even Ukrainians and Russians can find a way to create an ethnic identity strong enough that it's worth going to war with each other. Or Serbs and Croats.
Europe has been at war with itself for 1000s of years. It only stopped when the wars became so bloody that everybody agreed to not do it again.
Taiwan, South Korea, and Singapore were all authoritarian regimes before they became "freer." The sad reality is that the current environment effectively proves post-facto that China needed a strong hand to guide the country through these difficult head-winds. Would it have been better under Hillary though? That’s what’s troubling about US leadership in these times.
I suggest you try read things more objectively. Filter out the unnecessary emotion from your interpretations.
If china is lucky xi jinping, who is now president for life, will be a great ruler for his whole life. If china is typical, he will make some bad decisions and the system will collapse.
The PRC definitely has a lot more low-level corruption, but the US has enough high-level corruption to be concerning.
The Chinese on the other hand imposed hard nosed industrial policies. Western economists have been saying that Chinese industrial/financial/developmental policy was going to result in collapse 'in five to ten years' for the last 30 years. And now it becoming obvious, it's not happening.
Chinese authoritarianism has relatively little effect on its economic output, it's not run like the Soviet union
China's military expenditures are small as a percentage of their economy. And unlike the US they have an functional industrial/labor policy apparatus. The US used to, but it was dismantled in the 1980's.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/06/16/trade-war-in...
Learn history. When Japan's semiconductor industry did extremely well back in the 80s, it forced US to take actions under the name of national security [1]. Do you seriously believe that india's relationship with the west is better than the one enjoyed by Japan back in the 80s?
[1] https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3014531/le...
By contrast, while India may in the future become a serious economic competitor to the United States, it shows no signs of being (or becoming) an ideological or military competitor. While the US and India don't have a formal military alliance like the US and Japan have, the US is very much interested in selling military equipment to India [1]. Unlike China, India is a democracy like the US, and while the US and India do sometimes have ideological disagreements (especially with BJP governments on the issue of religious freedom), those ideological disagreements are minor compared to those between the US and China.
[1] https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2018-09/news-briefs/us-eleva...
That is my exact point - As one of the closest allies of the US, when Japan challenged the US with its rising semiconductor sector, US responded heavily under the name of national security.
> By contrast, while India may in the future become a serious economic competitor to the United States, it shows no signs of being (or becoming) an ideological or military competitor.
So you are trying to convince me that US is going to hand over its dominance of the world to another democracy.
No, what I'm saying is that no matter how big a threat to the US economy Japan was, or India may become, the US is always going to take a harder line against China than against either Japan or India, because China is perceived by the US to be a strategic threat, not just in an economic capacity, but also in an ideological and military capacity, whereas neither Japan nor India are seen as strategic threats in an ideological or military sense
for the exact same logic, I am 100% sure that Mongolia and Kazakhstan are never perceived by the US to be a strategic threat, they undisputedly lack such ideological and military capacity. is that suddenly an advantage?
(The only way the US could ever perceive Mongolia or Kazakhstan as a significant threat, would be if they started building nuclear weapons or funding international terrorism; neither country has demonstrated any interest in doing that.)
It has nothing to do with the population itself. Back in the 80s, when China had >1 billion population at the time, US didn't consider China as a strategic threat, it even offered to sell China all kinds of techs & military hardware. It all happened when China was far less open to the world and far more focused on its communist ideology stuff.
America has been supporting Pakistan untill last few years.
Few days ago they cancelled preferential trade agreement resulting in retaliation from India and imposing counter tariff on American goods.
As India gets more powerful, it will only make enemy with China or US and that's a guaranteed event.
Here I am waiting for the US to impose tariff on Indian software exports and this will make India change its way.
DOC: (Inspects the failed circuit.) "Unbelievable that this little piece of junk could be such a big problem." (Turns it over.) "No wonder this circuit failed, it says made in Japan."
MARTY: "What do you mean doc, all the best stuff is made in Japan."
DOC: "Unbelievable."
Man, getting spontaneously dropped off in a parallel universe is confusing as hell.
You mean like when you remember things incorrectly?
This same pattern exists in Software too... Google with respect to the original Chrome version ("It's just a cheap knock-off of FireFox/Mozilla"), or Microsoft with the earliest versions of Word ("It's just a cheap knock-off of WordPerfect") or Excel ("It's just a cheap knock-off of Lotus 1-2-3"), or even the earliest versions of Windows ("It's just a cheap knock-off of Xerox Alto/PARC or Apple Lisa/early MacIntosh GUI").
History repeats itself in very predictable cycles...
On the flip side, Intel and AMD are sorely in need of some competition... Remember that AMD's constant competition with Intel is one of the key reasons why CPU technology (well, x86-wise!) advanced as fast as it did, and more competitors should mean more technology advancement...
Neither MS, Mozilla, or Apple had a strategic interest in accelerating them by an order of magnitude.
And V8 begat Node.js, for better or worse.
This Chinese design effectively only does the circuit/logic and above.
Single core performance / IPC seems more comparable with Intel's Atom line, but that's still very impressive.
Intel is responsible for sitting on its laurels re: highly-multicore processors and total TDP, don't get me wrong. But neither of those have anything to do with Moore's law. Ryzen CPUs are as big as Texas; we're scaling "out" rather than "down" now.
1. never travel overseas.
2. the authoritarian govt doesn't run low on cash and start selling all this data to the highest bidder. very similar to fears about the Soviet nuclear stockpile after the fall of the Soviet Union.
~$75 billion by 2017
https://press.trendforce.com/node/view/3025.html direct non-repayable cash money funds up for grabs to anyone showing something on paper.
If it is indeed that useless and wasteful, why the US is forcing China to stop such state funded initiatives? It is so far one of the key issues blocking the China-US trade talks.
Using your logic, US should just relax and sit back to watch China waste all its limited money on such highly corrupted projects and to have itself destroyed.
Once they actually implement that final 20%, they'll realize it's harder than it looks, i.e. it's slower than before.
Things like cache coherence, thread isolation, hard stuff like that.
a) Documented
b) Publicly Available/Transparent -- no NDA or paywall
c) Auditable
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However, it looks like they developed the tech in house, which is a testament to China's advances in R&D. I've long worked at semiconductor companies where employees wrote off Chinese tech as incompetent, but their ignorance and hubris was the thing China was relying on to move up the value chain organically.