My MacBook Pro exploded and burst into flames
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They took the hard drive out. Opening the case released pressure on the swelling battery. As soon as it was open the battery started swelling faster. The case could never have been closed again. The whole enclosure bent like a soda can. I should have figured out earlier what was going on. The first sign was the computer started to seem wobbly if you stuck it on the desk and typed on the internal KB. I thought the little rubber feet on the bottom were worn, in actuality it was the case starting to deform. What finally figured it out for me was the swelling started to make the keyboard stop functioning properly. Some keys were stuck.
It got stuffed in a bag and run over to the Apple store (which is only about 200 yards away).
Never heard a word about it again, they threw my HDD in another MBP and I was off and running with almost no downtime.
Of course that was like a 2013 MBP, that would not happen with the 2018 one I have right now since they can't be opened with a screwdriver and the internal SSD is soldered.
I'm going a little offtopic, but I cannot believe this. I haven't owned a Mac since having a 2010 MBP (which I loved dearly for 6 years), but I cannot imagine owning a laptop that doesn't allow me to switch the internal drive. It was annoying enough with all of the screws on the 2010 model.
I'm sure there is some justification is for this beyond "we want you to buy a new one if something goes wrong", but I'm coming up blank.
+1. One of the (many) reasons I'll never own a Mac.
I could get a new Macbook pro rolling within an hour of work and have it 99.9% the same as my current one. Which has happened often enough for me in my job as I always get Macbook Pros from my work or upgrades them. That wouldn't be any different if they gave me new PC laptops where I'd prefer to do a fresh install of Archlinux every time for security reasons instead of dragging around some M.2 chip for years.
Ideally I should be able to swap the SSD and have it working 100% (besides a few software that fingerprints your machine for licensing reasons and it's another pain) in a couple of minutes, or have the machine replicated 100% (with no update process or whatsoever afterwards - besides perhaps things stored in the secure enclave) in half an hour...
It’s been genuinely worth the effort to make these 4-5 scripts.
df to list devices, then: dd if=/dev/a of=/dev/b
if I decided to migrate to the new storage device.
Either way, I could do it in about 3min and go do something else. When I was back, everything would be ready.
And back in the FileVault 1 days, I discovered [almost the hard way] that my machine wasn't backing up properly because I was not logging out my user account (and you had to). Since this experience, I'm always suspicious of Apple's approach to backing up data (and data resilience - admittedly due to some other factors involving weird interactions between iPhoto and Flickr).
From your new mac, during initial setup select "Restore from TimeMachine" and you are back in business as soon as the data is transferred back.
And the keyboard.
Perhaps it goes without saying: If you don't back up your data you can lose it at any time for any reason.
"We want you to use our cloud storage for all data storage, and our cloud services for all application use."
The arguments around why laptops are becoming less and less modular are usually that having mechanisms to attach and detach these parts take space, and so if people want thinner and thinner laptops, they need to remove these mechanisms. Personally, though, I can't see why I'd want a thinner laptop. The toughbook is thick, even by pre-ultrabook standards, but it's still very, very comfortable.
The 2018 MBPs also have a T2 security chip now, which intermediates all access to the drive. It has internal unremovable encryption keys which are paired with the drive, so even if you could move the drive to another machine, the data on it would be useless anyway.
Your data should never be held on the internal drive for more than a few seconds really. With a decent MDM solution, restoring the standard settings and applications should take no more than a few minutes. As such, in modern times, there should be no real use-case for moving the drive - just set up a new machine instead, more like the Chromebook way of thinking.
More broadly thinking though, Unix/BSD underpinnings OS, driver support, and hardware that sacrificed thin/light for components that were reliable and some DIY capability? I kid can dream
Not sure if Apple even considers that as a defect or if it is just the way some of the batteries are expected to behave when they get old.
Fortunately this was a "work" computer, the IT crew fixed it in a jiffy. But I wonder if it uses a similar type of battery, looked like a thin black pillow when the tech took it apart.
Apple recalls certain older MacBook Pro units
and here is the link to check your serial number: https://support.apple.com/15-inch-macbook-pro-battery-recall
I have this model and my Macbooks serial number is not "eligible". Let's hope for the best... :'(
This is such a common policy that it's a surprise to me when it's not the case. There's even a term for it: a "grey market" product, meaning a product intended for sale in one region/country, but shipped to another. Warranties are often a dodgy proposition in these cases.
My advice to anyone buying a product in another country that may need warranty service: check the manufacturer's policies before buying. Can you use the regular service network(s) in your country, or will you need to ship the product for service? To where? Will you have warranty coverage at all? In some cases, as the parent noted, policy may depend on your regional distributor rather than the manufacturer.
I am kinda nervous about the battery swelling; maybe I should open it up and take a look.
What's most unfortunate is that millions of professionals want and need solid computers to do their work on. This is why we went to Apple from the horrible PC experience. Both Windows and the laptops from Dell and IBM weren't holding up because "made in China." Now Apple has chintzed out in a big way.
I'm typing this from a 2018MBP. The keyboard sucks, I barely use it. My company has hundreds of these in service and the failure rate of keyboards is quite high. One of my colleagues is on his 3rd unit in just under a year and we quip that he should torture test these things for Apple. Have seen numerous motherboard failures, odd issues with the screens, and a couple of bricked units. The battery thing has not happened to anyone I know personally.
I have had zero problems with this current one, but a 2016 model I had in 2017 had to be repaired, it just completely died.
The dongles are a plague. I have one attached to the back of my screen with velcro so that when I go to meetings I can hook up to the A/V equipment without having to run back across the building to get the damn part that should just be part of the whole computer.
I don't actually know how many Note 7's burnt up before they recalled, but I don't think it was ever very many. The main difference in this case is whatever issue exists, it was relatively benign for at least four years, which I agree hints that the issue is far less severe. But of course, no less dangerous.
Apple releasing a new phone is an event not only for a lot of developers, but also for your average teeny bopper and housewife.
Apple releasing a brand new laptop is just...
not.
I suspect that was at least part of the emotional response in the Samsung incident.
Same model.
I had a fair amount of smoke damage that needed cleaning up.
Now it sits on a piece of sheet steel instead of the wood floor.
Edit: I usually assemble my desktop cases from mail order parts. This desktop happened to have a metal case rather than a plastic one - my future builds will all be metal cases.
Doesn't everybody? I mean unless you are building a case from scratch. I also don't know of any plastic desktop cases, they're either steel or aluminum.
I have many in the basement housing older desktops.
Took it to a friend's place, he just about fell over laughing when he realised I'd missed the copper risers.
I stripped it down and verified everything and now it's my gaming PC.
I never figured out for sure, but I think I shorted out my cheap PSU when moving it; I probably should have bought a new one to start with but thought that was an easy place to save money. Ended up costing my like $900 and a ton of headaches. Go figure.
Also fire, which isn't something I was worried too much about before, but will be now.
Something similar happened to one of my colleagues too, albeit after just 3 months of ownership.
Those people are assholes. Literally.
> Once you notice the battery is swollen or compromised in any way, you should immediately stop using the device. Turn the power off, and above all else, do not charge the device. Once the battery has reached such a point of failure that the battery is swollen, you must assume that all safety mechanisms in the battery are offline. Charging a swollen battery is literally asking for it to turn into an exploding ball of noxious flammable gas right in your living room.
https://www.howtogeek.com/244846/what-to-do-when-your-phone-...
Then get two computers as a backup?
While here it's Apple's issue, it could just as well be your fault that the laptop died (e.g. dropping it).
Then you wouldn't have any laptop, but also no justification to demand an immediate replacement or deem not receiving one "unacceptable"...
It’s common to get given temporary mobile phones if in for manufacturers warranty repair so why not offer it for laptops?
The general idea is that when it comes to business, contingency planning and backups (data and hardware) are considered to be requirements.
If you pour cold tea on your only laptop at 7pm just before a gig, buying and setting up a new laptop could prove difficult.
Your hypothetical is not consistent with the redditor's complaint. The redditor implies that he can survive without the laptop for a day or two--but things become problematic around five days, so I think @tiew9Vii's point-of-view is reasonable.
It's also consistent with my situation. I make my living off of my laptop. I don't have a spare, which I think would be a financial waste. If my laptop suffers a catastrophe, I will rent/purchase a stop-gap device. I can take a productivity hit for the 24-48 hours it takes me to get back up to speed.
My computer failed to start one morning, it was my work only computer that I use for my job(work remote from a village) so I went in the city with the PC, I found a shop, the person there tested my RAM,CPU and other parts, the motherboard was broken, I baught a new motherboard , paid the poerson to replace it, I also asked for a GPU upgrade and a cleaning.
In a few hours I was back working. If this was a MacBook there is no store in the small city I live near, I would probably had to find someone that could "illegaly" test the laptop and that would use his connections to find me some "illegal" parts and wait for those parts to arrive.
I am also using my PCs after the warranty expires and fix them if a component breaks(like memory). My old AMD Phenom 2 is still running (my son uses it for lite gaming). is the one that I had to replace the motherboard. (I also bought a quality APS to keep my equipment safe)
if macbook is not an option because of circumstances you're in - don't buy a macbook. this need to publicly defend and rationalize your life choices along with implicit condemnation of choice of others is just weird.
people have different preferences and live in different circumstances. - yours truly, captain obvious.
I am not sure why you felt the need to respond in such a way, you can respond with the scenario I did not consider and explain why your opinion is the correrct one.
I prefer the super thin, svelte designed devices that simply cannot be made easily repairable.
There is no “right” to enforce your particular design and implementation standards on manufacturers. You’re inventing rights that do not and should not exist.
If you want to tinker, that’s great. Go tinker. Most of us do not. It’s idiotic for a tiny percentage of people who do want to whip out a soldering iron and go to town to put constraints on what the rest of us are allowed to buy.
And FYI, I do like to put together a machine every once in a while and fix it and tinker with it. It’s fun. I enjoy it. But that doesn’t mean I have some sort of fundamental human right to make every thing buildable by me, personally.
The right to repair is like the right to live your whole life without ever being offended by anything or encounter an idea you find uncomfortable. Enforcing your personal right abrogates other people’s rights and denies other people things they like to say, think, and buy.
But the real truth is that the right to repair always boils down to some clown on the internet who read an iFixit tear down and thinks, “man, I could make my own i-whatever for, like a hundred bucks if only Apple could be forced to sell me all the parts in exactly the right configuration at a price that only accounts for the bare basic raw materials.
If you want the fancy things, pay for the fancy things. If you want a brick house machine that you can cart through the jungle and swap out a new motherboard every time you drop it in a river, then buy one of those. No one is stopping you. The choice you want to have already exists.
1 if you publish Apples repair manuals apple with come after you, explain me how is this hurting the consumer, how is this making your phone thinker ?
2 Apple is preventing imports of parts from refurbished hardware, is this helping with the phone dimensions?
3 I don't want to repair my computer, I want others to repair them for me, It is idiotic(your words) to insinuate that people want to fix stuff themselves, it is not, is it possible to stop repeating this "idiotic" statement???
4 some companies introduce DRM to prevent fixing stuff, is this helping the consumer? how? if I have 2 identical broken laptops and I want to move parts from A to B to get 1 working one why should DRM prevent this? Is is my hardware, I have the right to use it as I want, it is a right to do with my property what I want if I do not hurt others, Please, please let me know why DRM should prevent me do what I want with my hardware,
About your thing phone statements, I am not proposing hardware companies make them like LEGOs, If they make it so fixing a key means replacing the entire phone or laptop the company will pay through their nose when the keys start failing, so I personally I am not your target for thin phones rage.
A long time ago I had a Dell laptop. When there was a problem Dell arranged an onsite and it was fixed within 24 hours.
Given Apple's margins and market cap, the fact that Apple refuses to offer a similar level of service even as part of a paid support contract is a symptom of complacency and outright penny-pinching greed.
And short-sightedness. It's a fair bet that legendary customer support would do some wonderfully positive things for the Apple brand - and perhaps even for profits.
But Cook seems too busy disappointing customers and counting his pile of beans and to consider that as a possibility.
I have had a similar experience with Dell - and on a laptop that cost a fair bit less than a MacBook Pro, FWIW.
If you would prefer to trade away smaller, faster, and more robust for accessibility, you should do that. MacBooks are for the folks who side with [B] a lot, and they make that fairly clear.
NB: Of course, sometimes there is a 'tradeoff' where a part of the device is basically just crappier for no real gain, and sometimes the non-standard part's primary gain is 'cheaper', which can be an upside, but it can also be some nickel-and-dime baloney that is clearly a bad tradeoff and the company making the device is trying to get away with it hoping nobody notices. I'm not talking about those tradeoffs.
Examples:
* Using a non-standard screen connector cable because all the available standards do not allow for a single cable to connect device to screen (the case with imacs)
* The effect of soldering the RAM straight onto the motherboard (much smaller and more robust; banging a laptop into a corner is less likely to unseat soldered-on RAM than RAM in a replaceable bay whose engineering is focused more on it being really small than the connection being particularly robust. Yes, YOU can fix it, but your average user perhaps isn't quite as cavalier at opening it all up).
* A single replaceable battery is nice, but if you just glue a bunch of packs in there you can fill every nook and cranny. For what it is worth, apple is still trying to make this as replaceable as possible within reason: I've done a battery replacement on a non-retina macbook air 11, and the 4 separate packs are glued onto a sheet of plastic so you can remove the entire assembly (after disconnecting various ribbons).
Separate from that, there's the notion of 'whose responsibility is it?' – this is a more hairy topic. If you open up your own PC and stick a giant, overclocked CPU in there and then attach a teensy tiny cooler to it all, perhaps due to unfortunate circumstance some of the capacitors on the motherboard blow up due to the excessive heat wafting off of the CPU, which manages to peg itself to 90ºC and survives. If you then make a warranty claim vs. the manufacturer, that feels inappropriate. A manufacturer that tries to stop this from happening would either have to excessively spec out the precise limits of what you can and cannot do (a good idea, but such rules need wiggle room, which means it can't be as fast/small/cutting-edge as it could be), or do what apple does and basically say: Hey, if a qualified apple service engineer isn't doing the work, you're on your own.
I'm not exactly happy with this state of affairs, but I don't see a strictly better alternative either.
Granted you’d be equally screwed with a Mac Mini or iMac but fundamentally this has nothing to do with Apple vs PC. Desktop PCs that can be changed with standard parts or even custom built are not the market norm anymore and entered the specialised market realm long ago.
Your post also reads very much as "You're wrong to use Apple" but you have to realise that they produce a very reasonable solution for many. My use case covers a wide spectrum of mobility, security, dev, music, and photo/video editing, and while alternatives can do things like that they won't do so as efficiently and with the same quality across that whole spectrum for me. It would be foolish to shoot myself in the foot by nerfing my workflows every single minute of the day for a rare event. I do have a spare machine (which does not need to be the latest and greatest so can come out pretty cheap), which allows me a very quick turnover to continue working, well within an hour of a fatal failure (and that's even though I have an Apple Store 5 min away from my place).
1 I would have got the person at the shop check it and tell me if I need a new laptop or a new part, this happened to a laptop of mine and I decided I would get a new laptop, then the shop person offered to buy the display and RAM from me and I sold it, so a different person would be able to fix his laptop
2 a spare part can be found from a different laptop or ordered online by the shop, so they can order it at the time I arrived with my broken laptop
I don't think that I would have been screwed but let me know if you still disagree.
Equally true for Apple hardware, that you can get in most reasonably sized shopping malls basically anywhere over here (France). Most places that sell laptops also sell Apple hardware.
In that case where there is no Apple sanctioned repair presence such shops either usually sell Apple hardware and gladly perform support and diagnosis if that can bring them a sale, or they're nice enough to help you anyway with the diagnosis out of good will (people are generally like that in digitally scarce areas) and will direct you to get a new one at the mall (or, they're dicks and then, screw them).
You have every right to call me an optimist about human behaviour though ;)
The reasoning in this thread started with something along the lines of "if you use your computer professionally... [statements]". I would argue that if you use your computer professionally you should definitely consider using specialised products, which includes custom built desktops as you correctly noted.
If I live in a big city can I get my iMac/MacBook fixed without scheduling in 1-2 hours? I seen the LTT saga with the iMac where they could not fix it so it would be like you crash your Ferarri and you have to wait for them to first train the mechanics and create the spare parts and after that have it fixed.
I had more then 1 point, let me be more clear:
1 I had more then one repair shop in a small city, so I have choices
2 I got the unscheduled issue diagnosed and fixed in max 2 hours
3 I even made a GPU upgrade and I had choices AMD or NVIDIA
Btw even living in a village I can get things fixed like any other people, like when a new thing I bought broke in the first week I sent it back, it took 3 weeks to have it replaced but it works on small villages too. My example was about a PC that was important for my work and that was out of warranty, though with PCs, in the way I buy them I have warranty for each part so I have the option to go in the town, have someone test and replace the broken part(maybe I buy a cheap GPU or RAM) and send only the broken part back.
Yeah, that’s actually exactly how it works. Good luck getting spare parts for a new Ferrari, all the parts will be headed for the assembly line and not towards your car.
At least with Dell my experience is that they just come to you and replace what is broken and also replace what might have been broken.
But Dell computers can be opened and components can be easily replaced (most of the time without tools).
As others point out this is the disadvantage of Apple laptops. Not to speak of the Microsoft surface which gets a score of zero @ iFixit.
My Dual G4 tower years ago had a run of bad processor modules. AppleCare sent service reps out three times in the space of four days trying to get it working correctly. Today, almost everything has to go back to Apple to be replaced; there are no more Apple-sanctioned repair outlets and the Apple store can't do much more than elevated diagnostics tests.
If you get into a car accident, you can take it to the dealer for repair but it'll likely be much more expensive because their goal is to keep the car running to their specifications. If the repair costs are excessive, your insurance might just total the car. You could still take it to a garage, get it repaired for a fraction of what the insurance claim was and get many more years of use out of it.
With Apple, there's not really much option for repair, as they usually won't sell parts to aftermarket repair outlets.
if you make a living from something, protect it, otherwise you risk your livelyhood. protect it YOURSELF.
Fixed that for you. I get the point generally, but there's a great difference between "I damaged my computer and it will take a week to fix" and "My computer spontaneously combusted and it will take a week to fix". Namely, fault and impact. When you damage your computer, you are at fault and you are impacted. Fair. When your computer goes boom, Apple is (probably) at fault, but you are still impacted.
Though yeah, not backing up your stuff is inexcusable in the age of cheap, ubiquitous storage space. Particularly in the cloud.
MacBook Pro is an expensive piece of equipment and someone who produces music for living (or any other freelancers really) must have stretched their budget to get the primary machine itself.
If I pay top dollars for anything then I do hope that I don't have to pay top dollars again for having a backup of that.
Edit: Looks like it is! https://twitter.com/whitepanda/status/1133847982317723648
If this resulted in substantial data loss, it could be really bad.
A laptop going into flames is generally a manufacturer's fault. If one were to damage the machine through fault of their own, they wouldn't demand a replacement.
Sure, and it could have been trampled by an escaped rhino, and then the zoo would owe him a new laptop. But we're not talking about random hypotheticals. A company has different responsibilities when their product explodes than when the customer breaks it.
Also, How about the part where Apple told him they'd call back in 24 hours and didn't?
Another case of someone passing the blame from a manufacturer of faulty hardware (Apple) to the customer.
Is there a going term for this phenomena? There should be, by now.
I haven't backed up my mac in 10 months now simply out of laziness, it contains some sensitive client work that NDA doesn't allow me to put in the cloud, it's millions of dollars worth of work and contracts, if I lose it, my company loses those clients as well.
And my MBP gets really hot sometimes. Expect a TIFU from me at anytime.
Here, I'll save you some trouble: just click buy now here:
https://www.amazon.com/Elements-Portable-External-Drive-WDBU...
However, I decided to give them a try anyway as I was partly researching for a friend who desperately needed backups and didn't care about that as much. So I installed backblaze on a machine and was surprised to find that 1) the exe is apparently modified per user so you don't have to login (memory hazy) and 2) it _immediately_ starts uploading _everything_ which really pissed me off. Like I get it, full system backups, but still I want some acknowledgement of what's about to happen and options to pare it down if I want. Nooope.
So yeah I don't think Bacblaze is gonna work for GP with their NDA given they can't restore without breaking it.
But in many cases using a 3rd party cloud service has advantages, and if you take care of encrypting contents yourself so that you just plain can ignore any security or lack thereof it'll make more options available, and possibly cheaper ones. It's all just bits and bytes.
They've written about why they made this UX decision before [1], and it was because of "naive customers" who ended up either deselecting the C drive, or accidentally doing so.
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/b6lbew/were_the_backb...
I've found that the backup strategy that works for me (i.e. set it and forget) is to have:
1) a daily Time Machine backup over my home wifi to my NAS; and
2) an occasional cloud backup using your preferred backup software of choice (I use Arq, but it's really slow backing up to Google Drive).
This way, if my MacBook goes out of action for some reason, I can easily get a replacement with little downtime.
I haven't gotten around to figuring out how to test my backups, and that's pretty important too.
My MBP mid-2015 has swollen batteries twice in 3.5 years. Now I have to pay $500-750 (Authorized Service Providers quote), as Apple Care expired, for something that increasingly looks like Apple's fault.
>The serial number you entered is not eligible under this program because either:
>It's not in the affected serial number range.
>Our records show that your device has already been serviced as part of this Program.
Opened up Cocunut Battery and have relized they replaced the battery without telling me. It's done very subtely on the service completion document -- "Replaced Top Case with Battery" -- are these parts not seperate?
No they are not. Anyone getting their keyboard replaced gets a new battery. Anyone getting their battery replaced gets a new keyboard/top case.
This is one of the reasons that out-of-warranty repairs for the butterfly keyboards were $700 (before the repair program was launched).
"If you don't talk about this incident any more on social media, here's a shiny new MacBook Pro. Otherwise, you get the ashes of your old laptop."
OK just spitballing because we have no idea if they offered up a replacement or left him in the lurch.
Obviously, that is a rage post (understandably). OP seems to no longer be enraged... problem solved, right?
Why is this person standing there just inhaling that? I would be very concerned about breathing battery-fire fumes, no?
Maybe they are not as toxic as I think? What should one do if this happens? Pouring water might make things worse, right?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5577247/
CDC has some information about HF gas but they don't tend to link it to battery fires. Not sure about any of the amounts but it's just not something you want to burn in a firepit I suppose.
Now - maybe you haven't done this; I'd suspect many haven't. Galvanized steel has a coating of zinc, which boils at a much lower temperature than steel melts at. So when you're welding on such steel, the smoke and fumes given off (which even when welding normally should be avoided) are particularly nasty:
https://www.bakersgas.com/weldmyworld/2011/12/03/side-effect...
A mild case of it basically feels like a very terrible cold/flu - but it can be deadly in great amounts. I'd suspect (but I'm not sure) that lithium fumes might cause similar symptoms.
And just for sake of completeness, because a lot of people aren't aware of it - if you weld, never, ever weld on anything that has been soaked with brake cleaner that contains tetrachloroethylene. It will release phosgene gas, which is deadly in small amounts:
https://www.brewracingframes.com/safety-alert-brake-cleaner-...
That's from a guy who survived such an accidental exposure - but he's now messed up for life. You can still buy this kind of brake cleaner in some states, but it's not for sale in others (I believe its banned from sale in California).
It's not so much that particular chemical, as it is the chlorine makeup of the chemical (the -chloro part); you could probably generate such gas by heating and vaporizing household bleach or pool chemicals that have chlorine in them, if you wanted to. But neither of those are likely to be used around steel and mechanical work like brake cleaner is.
For everyone who's involved, seems like it's not a one off.
I suspect that the quality of manufacture will be a significant factor in mitigation of that risk, but is there a currently available battery design that produces enough power for enough time without carrying some risk of ignition?
Since then, there's another issue that surfaced. The laptop turns off whenever it reaches 100% charge. Have to see if it's covered under this recall...but probably not knowing my luck.
Cool, thanks Apple. Glad I got to pay like $700 for this when my 2015 MBP was overheating so much last year that the battery swelled and broke the motherboard. I just did a quick live-chat with one of the tech support people... no chance for a refund on the work I had done 8 months ago to replace the battery and repair damage it caused. It really sucks that people who proactively dealt with this can't get compensated for what is now acknowledged as a manufacturing flaw.
Apple hardware is too pricey and sucks recently
The dilemma is, do I want an "original" pack back in?
Could the device itself know when the battery is bulging, on fire, whatever?
Could the power connectors themselves be designed to disconnect if the battery expands?
Ultimately their products are priced/made too cheaply for the reliability that is expected. Increasing cost wouldn't sit well with the stock market however so it's a bit of a catch 22.
As such I don’t think it’s a fault in the design, necessarily.
Things go wrong. The world isn’t perfect. There are many millions of MacBooks Pro in circulation.
Next.
[0]: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=house+fire&iar=news&df=d&ia=news
It appears that it was possible with the T60 a decade ago.