Tokyo's suburban housing became vast ghettoes for the old
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> ... it also set strict requirements for younger people who lived there: if your income exceeded a certain threshold, you would be evicted. If you refused, you were charged rent – at potentially up to twice the market rate, depending on your income.
The goal was to make public housing a safety net for elderly, low-income and socially vulnerable people. The effect, however, has been to make social housing off-limits for most people: eligibility fell from 80% of households in 1951 to 25% after 1996.
And it has turned public housing into a kind of ghetto for poor and elderly people who rely on pensions and can’t afford private rents.
In Canada it is often controversial when upper middle class people are found to be living in affordable coops and anti-poverty activists, in an understandable effort to create as much low income housing as possible, often call for wholly low income housing projects instead of having buildings with mixed incomes. This article suggests at the flawed outcome from overly means testing benefits.
Otherwise we get welfare traps, ghettoisation or just poor quality (like buses in places where only the poor use em). It doesn't mean everyone has to use it, just that they can. This is common sense in services like health or education, where we're used to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state#Three_worlds_of_...
However, it doesn't go far enough because the tax rate doesn't take benefits into account, so even though you're getting >$0.80 of every dollar earned, after adjusting for benefits it may instead be $0.20 or even negative. The Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) is an especially large contributor to this situation [1].
To avoid a trap, marginal income after taxes and benefits should start high and fall monotonically. It should probably also be concave up (the amount of income to bump you into the next 'adjusted tax' bracket gets bigger and bigger).
[1] https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/alfresco/publicati... (page 767, Figure 2)
At least in dense cities, public housing can be mixed into free market housing.
Mulling it over I think uniform single use zoning/construction is 'bad'. I saw presentation by a guys showing various housing. One of them was a very nice 1920's era apartment building in Redwood city. One of his points was it'd be totally illegal to build something like that today.
We tend to view suburbs as these static places that serve a particular purpose for primarily families and where nothing changes. But in fact suburbs are starting to transform into de facto retirement communities as boomers exit the workforce, due in large part to incentives from certain laws that keep them there and prevent development (no comment on who created those laws). One clear example is schools in Cupertino are closing due to declining enrollment - something that certainly doesn't fit the conception of a suburb being a place where families are raised.
Right now Vallco mall has been torn down and the city is trying its best to stop an affordable housing development there.
>also set strict requirements for younger people who lived there: if your income exceeded a certain threshold, you would be evicted. If you refused, you were charged rent – at potentially up to twice the market rate, depending on your income...
Part of problem in US:
>Cupertino residents are ... incredibly dedicated to not letting anyone new move in...
Sounds like HNUser "npunt" was correct in the assertion that the same thing seems to be going down in both places, and for similar reasons. Difference being that the Japanese are open to using the law in a more stringent manner to keep younger people out.
As a result, housing in Tokyo is a lot cheaper than you'd expect it to be. Still, the issues with public housing aren't surprising. I'm not sure you can get evicted from Section 8 apartments in the US for making more money, but it wouldn't surprise me.
It's not very appealing for Americans because the work culture is pretty bad and pay is low, so you can't get out of student debt, but I met a lot of Asian immigrants last time I was there.
If nothing else, I'd figure they'd move to LA for even better weather and cheaper rent. That doesn't help with the tax situation, but it's something.
Maybe they're here for the family connections, but it seems less and less likely to be the case given the exodus of longtime residents from the area.
If they don't own a house, I can't see how they'd manage to stay. Renting around here on a fixed income must be brutal.
If they can easily afford to stay where they are with all of their friends and community, in a spectacular climate, not have to deal with the hassle of moving or maintaining a larger house, and pass a $2.5 million asset to their kids, why would they move?
To follow their children who probably left the bay area so they could raise a family?
To escape the cold and humid winters of this 'spectacular climate'(seriously, that's a very relative opinion. San Diego was better. Phoenix is fine if you have AC).
To not have to deal with the hassle of maintaining a 40-60 year old house?
To not have to pay some of the highest state income taxes around?
To reallocate their assets to a growth vehicle and pass on more wealth to their children(seriously our market is maxed for now)?
To live near millions of people in their age bracket in an environment that caters to them?
To have access to superior medical care(IME, South bay sucks. San Diego is better. Phoenix is better. San Antonio is better. etc...).
CA is generally a horrible place to retire unless you have money to burn. If I were 65+, had children, and owned a house in the south bay, I would leave in a heartbeat unless my children were working FANG jobs in the same area of the bay.
For an owner, their property taxes are lower than it would be with a new house out of state. If they want they can borrow against the home value to access the equity. Their income is lower, so less attraction moving to a lower tax state.
They just don't allow much unskilled immigration, which is why the total number is low. And even that is rapidly changing; in particular, a brand new immigration policy was passed this year.
Have fun living in the car dependent sprawling suburbs when you're 80 and not legally allowed to drive anymore.
I guess one can hope that autonomous cars will finally appear to bail one out of this predicament, but I'll personally be setting myself up to retire in a place where everything I need is a short walk or wheelchair roll away.
You're describing Florida and they drive anyways.
I've been to a couple golf cart communities in Florida and they are actually pretty cool for retirement
Unlike a lot of retirement communities, it looks like just another suburban housing development. The only hint that it's different, aside from the golf carts, is that every single house is one-story in order to accommodate people who can't (easily) climb stairs.
As for their age policies, from what I remember of my dad telling me, only one resident of each house has to be 55+, but nobody under 19 is allowed to live there permanently (...and I just checked their Wikipedia article, and it confirms it). So no kid-friendly stuff there, but there are some younger people living with older relatives.
I guess in a dense city it’s easier to just take an Uber everywhere but for some types of restricted mobility it’s actually much easier to be able to drive a car more or less door to door.
And my general point was what I wrote. "Cities are not a panacea." If you don't believe that, get on crutches and travel around pretty much any city.
Follow that up with: get on crutches and travel around pretty much any suburb.
[1] https://www.dhresource.com/0x0s/f2-albu-g6-M01-8B-09-rBVaSFt...
The city is pretty bad for anyone except the young and wealthy.
I lived in Taiwan, which also has a stagnant birth rate (only 181,606 births last year, https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3611847) and a decades-long trend for young people to migrate to the large cities, or go to China to try their fortunes there.
But there is also a strong tradition of multi-generational households and traditions/holidays that emphasize family relations or filial piety, Lunar New Year being the most obvious. Certainly, family strife exists (and can be exacerbated if people are forced to live together) and many seniors live alone, but I think because of the cultural emphasis on familial contact, there is also a level of contact and awareness that can mitigate the extreme situations described in the article. Being smaller also helps (most cities on the island are no more than two or three hours away by high-speed rail).
In recent decades, there has also been a trend to legally allow foreign caregivers (mostly Filipinos and Indonesians) for people aged 85 and up, and tacitly allow for foreign caregivers for younger seniors and wealthy families. I am not sure how Taiwan's national health system covers those costs, or if the elderly poor can afford them.
Does Japan have any similar system of allowing foreign caregivers?
https://news.mb.com.ph/2018/06/19/japan-to-directly-recruit-...
There is however strong criticism about the strict immigration requirements, e.g. learning supposedly high level Japanese in only a few years. This allegedly leads to nurses only staying in Japan temporarily, leaving, then going through the same program again. This then apparently bars them from benefits that Japanese citizens would have, although they stay in Japan for years.
Yes as somebody from a Taiwanese family that also really stuck out from the article. The daughter in Tokyo only seeing the father once a year? Seems like there are deeper problems there.
This article appeared on HN a few weeks ago: https://www.city-journal.org/decline-of-family-loneliness-ep... and has stayed with me. Perhaps it'll stay with me forever.
I can certainly offer some anecdata to it. My family died 20 years ago with my grandmother. (Or rather it _really_ died when the question came up of who should care for my Alzheimer's-afflicted grandfather.) Before then we were a tightly-knit group; after, a rapidly unrolled ball of yarn. And as the only child of two divorced (since I was 2 weeks old!) and bitter parents, that was basically it for me. I'm occasionally in contact with a couple of my cousins, but largely I seem to have just ceased to exist to most of them.
Guess I fit the new statistic.
A lot of these people who die alone with unclaimed bodies have children. Why don't the children care?
In the U.S., in contrast, this kind of problem wouldn’t even come up- because everyone involved would be living on the street, and no one in a position of civic authority would consider it their responsibility.
At least Japan can maintain that housing.