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Then what about decisions from corporations who do not even consider you as a person, or a citizen, but as a consumer?

I think you mistook my post as supporting Facebook. I am not supporting Facebook nor do I trust central governments. I ultimately think the Swiss model of governance where a lot of power is held in the region.

Brexit shows, citizens are not in the best position to take decisions on complex matters.

Educated citizens may be. The problem is when politicians are allowed to lie through their teeth, as they did for brexit, and the educational system didn't prepare everyone to question the obviously absurd claims made by leavers.

Brexit was a structural failure of British democracy, not an indictment on British voters.

How so?

Multiple reasons, two I can think of right now that frustrate me at that the vote was held when students were on holiday (they needed to vote where they lived, so many students didn't vote who were 6-1 remainers). Secondly, lots of undemocratic goings-ons such as https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/14/judges....

Pro-Brexiters lying on the motives and outcomes? (Farage & Johnson not the least)

Like every party on every election at every level. Even though I share the outrage about it, we can't deny that lying is not uncommon.

That's not an acceptable standard for any public figure.

And yet we accept it all the time.

This is funny. A big reason people voted brexit is because they want more local governance instead of letting some bureaucrats in Brussels decide their fate.

In the grand scheme of things brexit might be a bad idea, but you're effectively saying people shouldn't govern themselves because they would vote for more self-governance...

I would also not be in disfavor of a Federal Council as opposed to a singular executive. The Swiss have a good thing going.

Interesting comment, given that the Libra group behind this currency is based out of Switzerland.

Person > family > neighborhood > community > region > state > nation > > world

That's how decision making power should reign.

It seems more and more that the government treats us like a consumer. Both parties trying to deliver more and more "value" for the currency that matters to them: votes.

It's not votes. They buy the votes with money and that's what matters.

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