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Comment by jrvxo | Hacker News Reader

http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201906/17/WS5d06d79ca3103d...

> Keung Suk-man, one of the parents among the protesters, denounced the opposition camp for calling for a strike by schools and teachers to oppose the extradition amendments. Such blatant incitement went against the school's principle of protecting students and training them to think independently, she added.

"training them to think independently", It really does read like satire

It always amazes me that either 1. they can't see how ridiculous what they are writing is or 2. don't care because it works and they get paid, no matter how deceptive, immoral, and harmful it is.

The world would be so much better if people refused to write this hypocritical drivel.

I've known people like that; I try to stay far away from them.

You know it's funny because you can use Internet freely. Chinese people behind GFW has nothing to fact check with. All the social network platforms require real name, trying to spread something you learned through VPN will result in police knocking on your door real fast.

> Eleven protesters were arrested on suspicion of unlawful assembly, assaulting police, disorderly conduct in a public place, and other riot-related offenses, according to the police.

Protestors were arrested while being treated in hospitals, because the police used a backdoor that the Hospital Authority installed in hospitals: https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/17/police-can-access-full...

Also "Eleven protesters were arrested on suspicion" is a pretty low percentage of incidents for a 2 million or so strong protest. That to me sounds like pretty good evidence that it's largely very peaceful.

Cracking down on a massive popular protest against overreach would just be counter productive to Chinese interests. My guess is that these eleven are not just random protesters, but were either identified as leaders or will be used to send a message.

They were arrested for last week's protest of approx. 1m people, not Sunday's. According to some estimates, the police injured 70+ people and arrested 11.

It's pretty shocking for us HKers, as the police used to be trusted and looked upon very favorably. That trust has deteriorated since the Umbrella Revolution.

>Among these social groups was an alliance of more than 30 local political, business and legal dignitaries who support the proposed amendments to the SAR's extradition law.

Why does anyone in HK support the amendments (or is this fake news)?

This is flagrantly fake news.

That is the point. The people of Hong Kong are marching to protest China's new extradition policy.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2019/06/16/hong-kong-protes...

China Daily is trying to almost completely misrepresent the reason for the protests. The only way they could make it more "opposite day" is by calling the protest a celebration festival for the love of Chinese authority in Hong Kong.

The funny thing about the misrepresentation is that the U.S. isn't really even meddling. We care our trade deficit with China and tariffs than human rights abuses in China.

Well, there's a bipartisan bill that threatens to abolish HK's treatment as separate from mainland China for trade purposes, if HK's autonomy becomes insufficient.

(And, I despise Ted Cruz, but kudos for supporting that bill.)

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/14/us-senators-table-bill...

It might well be that 30 people or so support the amendments, but what China Daily forgot to report is that more than a million people marched to protest against them.

2 million, according to some estimates. From the images, it definitely looked more than the 1m that were out in the streets last week.

Yes, maybe a quarter of the population. It's insane, and inspiring, the strength of the opposition.

BTW, for better coverage of HK news I recommend the HK Free Press:

https://www.hongkongfp.com

Tom Grundy, the creator of HKFP, has an agenda (as do most news outlets).

I balance HKFP with RTHK and Apple Daily (easier if you can read Cantonese). I don't trust blantantly pro-China outlets, like Sina.

For readers of English, there's not that much left: SCMP (bought by Alibaba recently), and the free (ad-financed) The Standard.

Can you elaborate on Grundy's agenda? Anything beyond pro-democracy, civil liberties, etc.?

Definitely anti-establishment. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but it's good to balance that out with multiple perspectives.

SCMP used to be my paper of choice growing up, but it has started to become more pro-establishment of late.

Some in Hong Kong are willing to sell out the region's independence and principles for the recent economic growth brought by being the PRC's sidecar.

The establishment (somewhat aligned with "pro-Beijing" camp) has more than half seats (43/70) in HK's Legislative Council. Goverment bills require simple majority in the Council to pass. Establishment's support guaranteed that the bill would have passed.

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