Such a stupid move by the do no evil company! Now they do no stupid too.
EDIT: Here is link... https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2019/06/16/micr...
There might even be a critical mass of people who are against advertising to attempt to make some legal headway on this issue in Washington. Just as there has been legal action against telemarketers, there might be something on the legal front that can be done against online advertisers, who could be considered just as much or even more of a nuisance than telemarketers ever were. In addition, online advertising has repeatedly been a vector of malware, and perhaps companies which try to circumvent or forbid ad-blockers could have some legal consequences -- and, if not, perhaps laws could be introduced to make such consequences a reality.
IANAL, and this is just a pipe dream of mine at the moment -- but plenty of pro-consumer legislation has been made over the years. Perhaps the dawn of an unsolicited-advertising-free world is upon us.
How sweet would that be? Friend gets a car, I make a copy of it at zero cost!
I guess the standard answer to that would be "but you're depriving the manufacturer of money to cover the costs of providing the car in the first place"
Which is reasonable, but I'd have to question their business model if their manufacturing costs are so high and yet I can copy it for free ...
In hopes it'll one day turn into a catchphrase: no one is entitled to have a particular business model working for them forever.
What irks me is that such a gracious outlook leaves me open to being gouged by profiteers.
So copying it is!
People clearly care about net neutrality, and they would/do also care about browser ad blocking. At this point it's clear to people what the issue is and how it affects them. Taking something away from people is much more painful than preventing them from getting it in the first place.
Even if there could be enough lobbying pressure to seriously propose such a law, it would be deeply unpopular and have difficulty passing.
I think the issue is that shareholders want to see significant year-over-year growth, something that isn't sustainable in the long-term. We're merely being seen as an untapped market than can keep the needle moving for a few more years.
I like capitalism, but I think it's entirely unreasonable for shareholders to expect such gains in perpetuity. After all, there's a finite amount of money that can be extracted from any user. The trendline will inevitably start to level off after a period of time, and I'm frustrated by the fact that this eventuality has negative connotations associated with it.
I host a bunch of websites, and about five years ago I stuck adsense adverts on them. Due to the decent traffic I was earning about £80/month and that was stable for 3-4 years.
This year, and last year, I instead earned about £100/year, despite having much more traffic/visitors, and more "aged content". When I get a chance I'll rebuild all the sites and drop the adverts. Adblockers - which I use myself - have rendered them almost pointless.
So now it costs me to run it (excluding time considerations of course) whilst before it paid for itself.
Also with sites like Stack Exchange I tend to use them for what I blogged before (computer fixes mainly), so most of my new content nowadays is UGC on other people's sites too. Personal stuff goes on Facebook, on the whole.
That's not entirely true. Troy Hunt had (and still has) that[1], and his banner got added to EasyList none the less.
[1]: https://www.troyhunt.com/ad-blockers-are-part-of-the-problem...
This is the whole point of those filter lists. Otherwise I would have to remove his ad manually, which is undesirable.
AdBlock should be about making the internet tolerable again instead of the cesspit it's slowly becoming, but it's exasterbating the problem.
Troy made a step in the right direction.
Simple solution for you then: Don't visit sites with advertising. By repeatedly visiting sites with advertising, you're basically saying, "I want all this content but I'm not willing to support them financially."
On what grounds and by what rationale could adblockers be possibly outlawed? If you cannot answer this question reasonably, then please don't even mention this as a reasonable possibility.
I personally don’t think it’s very likely, for one thing I expect most of the staff at the likes of Google run an adblocker.
My guess is we will see much more sponsored content as a response to this.
Watch any new movie or TV show, and it’s unbearable to see the videography just to catch a car logo or drink logo. Shame. There’s even been full on descriptions by the actors of a car’s features, basically a commercial within the dialogue of the media.
My solution is to stop consuming it, not that I consumed a lot to begin with, but there’s no other option.
It didn't spoil the movie though, and in fact the bare-facedness of it even added some humour (-:
I don't think product placement is soooo bad. It's up to you if you're making a movie to make it fit. If you don't it detracts from the quality of your movie which to me seems a good enough motivator to get it right.
here the state law defines ANY unauthorized access to any computer system as felony, that includes snooping unsecured systems or MANIPULATING FUNCTIONALITY.
Well if you had asked your typical HN developer a few years ago whether they'd be using a Microsoft code editor ...
+ Microsoft Public/Private Git Hosting :-)
Seriously guys, if the last time you used Windows was a few years ago it is time to give it a another shot.
What's the point? They do it all the time when things start going bad. It'll turn to garbage as soon as they have enough of mindshare. Why be among the ones who run back and forth?
It's still awful.
Microsoft also keeps a copy of your full-disk encryption key. <https://theintercept.com/2015/12/28/recently-bought-a-window...
IIRC they lessened it by some ε > 0 in 1803. [1]
> As far as I remember, it is absolutely overreaching, collecting your name, email address, browsing history, searches, application usage and more.
Some of these seem more alarming than others. Where are each of these pulled from? If you have a Microsoft account they already have your name and address. Most people use Chrome and I assume Windows isn't sending that info to Microsoft (although this does make me worry for those who use IE/Edge). Searches and application usage I haven't heard explicitly but those would worry me more.
> Microsoft also keeps a copy of your full-disk encryption key.
Wasn't this only when you had a Microsoft account or something? We can debate how they shove MSAs down users' throat (I want to punch my computer when they do that too), but as far as the FDE key is concerned, I feel like those who don't want this also wouldn't want to use a Microsoft account for their logins to begin with?
But to respond to your overall point, there are probably hacks around each of the things I've mentioned, but the point is that I don't feel like using an OS that does these things is a reasonable alternative for me. Particularly because who knows what other kinds of aggressive changes are being concocted for the future. I try to make this point to my family and friends too and they seem to agree.
Thanks for the link though, I'll take a look.
You can remove them easily enough from a Microsoft account.
There's also a few custom installers/scripts that people have written to disable the telemetry via PowerShell that are floating around, but I think their up-to-date-ness varies from author to author.
This is no different than with windows. Except that more vendors sell you windows compatible pre-built systems. With macos the situation is far worse.
If you want more Linux enables hardware it will help to vote with your wallet and buy hardware from manufacturers that do provide support for Linux.
very funny
If I need to do serious work, I'll snap the keyboard on and open WSL, but for anything else, I'll detatch the keyboard and just browse the web with Edge.
It's not a great selling point. Not everyone thinks it's productive to switch operating systems once in a while.
# name that assumes no other apps exist, check
# randomly freezes, check
# doesn't produce a log without jumping through hoops, check
Seriously though, I only just started using it, looks great ;o)
Why not using Firefox?
Philosophically, defining “evil” requires defining “good” first, and a definition of “good” depends entirely on one’s notions of origin, meaning, morality, and destiny — one’s worldview.
In google’s case, it’s probably better business to simply remove the motto than to risk offending large groups of people in the quest for philosophical rigor.
> And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!
Philosophically, yes. But moral relativity does not hold well due to the existence of culture. For western countries, no one can defend the morality of slavery or genocide. While those are pretty extreme, we have also collectively (democratically) decided that screwing over customers for your own profit is also not moral and should not be allowed. That's why antitrust law exists.
I've swapped to Edge Beta on my PCs and Brave on my Android.
Microsoft is a much older company who recently transitioned from being a proprietary software company selling licenses to a company who sell that but who also do services such as cloud (Azure) and who also do all kind of FOSS and tracking (Windows 10).
I fear the future is going to be that the poor are paying with their privacy/time/focus (as a result of advertising and tracking), while the rich buy licenses to pay off the licenses. Heck, it is already like that. My Scrabble clone application (Wordfeud) costs ~3 EUR in the Play Store. The free version costs nothing, but shows ads (not sure about tracking). I figured 3 EUR is a good deal for me for a perpetual license to never see ads. However, 3 EUR for me could be a lot of money for someone who's more poor than me.
IE9 improved on it with what I think is one of the most impressive feature to this day. It had a heuristic tracking protection that block trackers once it's detected at a certain re-occurrence counts that you can config. So in theory it doesn't need to subscribed to an ad list like all browsers do today.
IE took a lot of crap deservedly so, but that overshadowed a lot of pioneer works that later browsers adopted.
[1]https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/iegallery
[2]https://raw.githubusercontent.com/collinbarrett/FilterLists/...
"we occasionally hear requests for a built in ad blocking experiences in Edge. For most users, we find that extensions (combined with strong defaults around tracking prevention) are the best option here because you can choose from a variety of experiences and defaults, but we absolutely want to hear from you if you think this should be built in."
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/c094uf/hi_reddit_were...
“There are a couple components I want to touch on here - As mentioned elsewhere, we're still evaluating the adblock Manifest V3 changes, so we're not quite ready to commit to a statement one way or another on that issue.”
And:
“Second, we're committed to a strong extension ecosystem, including ad blocking. We're still evaluating some of the latest changes here in Chromium, but we're committed to the customer scenario as a principle. To be clear, we will not artificially restrict ad blocking for business reasons related to advertising.”
My only issue is that chrome is great bec I can have multiple profiles on the same windows user account, but that’s kinda anathema to the paradigm of how Microsoft wants us to use Edge.
I use chrome profiles the same way ppl use Firefox containers, my only hope is that edge builds something similar.
I’ve also been using Vivaldi, I love it but I’m worried about using duh a small project that is still dependent on chromium.
And, the business concept of blocking other people's ads and showing you their own is pretty despicable in its own right.
I do since years and here are the tips you may find useful if You would also like to run FreeBSD on the desktop.
https://vermaden.wordpress.com/freebsd-desktop/
... and please stay away from Project Trident or TrueOS or Lumina, they are from from being ready.
... eventually GhostBSD is quite OK.
... sorry for hijacking the 'Brave' thread but I am not able to reply to the original comment (time).