Small guide to making nice tables [pdf]
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In Google Slides or Excel it's easy to use low-contrast shading between dark and light backgrounds which is another less-intrusive way to delineate rows without using a solid line.
For a small 3 column table, it is not necessary. The tables on the page "Example Tables I" could have done without horizontal lines and a little more space between rows would have been enough.
What's wrong with the advice:
-Removing horizontal lines decreases readability in the complex examples given
-Vertical lines are very helpful when there are more than three columns
-Serifs have actually been found to be more readable due to their distinct letterforms and can be comprehended more quickly. San-serif fonts are fine too though. Basically, choose a font that has good legibility.
-Don't rely on light gray lines, because they might not be visible on all screens, or in various environments, and likely won't translate to print
-Double horizontal lines for column headers are fine.
-Overall, if you're presenting important information, usability is much more important than minor aesthetics.
Here are some more actual tips for laying out tables:
-Ensure that if a horizontal line needs to be scannable, that it actually has enough padding, or a horizontal separator, be it a dotted line or some other type of visible anchor
-If columns have a lot of information, a table may not be sufficient. Consider aggregating individual rows into a card format.
-Padding is your friend. Also, be consistent with it. A table with too little, but consistent padding looks better than one with more breathing room and inconsistent padding.
-Most information should be aligned left. One exception is currency. That should be aligned right
It's like he said he prefers cherry pie, and you're saying 'no that advice has issues, I prefer apple pie.'
If the originally submitted guide is admittedly subjective, then it seems like sharing different subjective viewpoints (with reasoning) in HN comments is a great idea. If it's a subjective thing, I'd rather hear from several viewpoints before making decisions about how to handle my own tables.
OP is just expressing his subjective view about which design is objectively better based on his expertise as a UX designer.
It says a lot that the first slide doesn't even say which is the good one and takes is for granted ("Easy decision, isn’t it?") but some here have thought the bad ones are the good ones.
Shows that it's more of a fashion thing. (Not counting the intentional mistakes in the "bad version" like kerning "fi lter" and other spacing errors in the math, like the exponent in the top right formula -- seriously why introduce those additional mistakes, why not just make the tables themselves different?)
It's because people on HN loves to be contrarians. The tables with the double lines really do look like garbage. The examples aren't doctored. One variant is what you get with Latex's builtin table commands, the other with the booktabs package.
Link to the segment on tables (approx 7 mins length):
Set tables to be read
To see the difference, typeset this with LaTeX:
\documentclass{standalone}
\begin{document}
-50 vs $-50$
\end{document}-Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet
+Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet
−Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet
To each his own, I guess.
- Avoid vertical lines
- Avoid “boxing up” cells, usually 3 horizontal lines are enough: above, below, and after heading (see examples in this guide)
- Avoid double horizontal lines
- Enough space between rows
- If in doubt, align left
I agree with this, although some of his examples I would tweak slightly, and sometimes I wonder about how much better "align left" ends up working.
Interesting to see how different backgrounds change your first impression.
The Economist is in fact a newspaper.
Edit: do people think this is a snobby comment? The Economist maintains this despite publishing in a medium which looks like a magazine.
URL: subscription.economist.com/Magazine/Subscribe
www.economist.com/about-the-economist
> Frequently asked questions
> Why does The Economist call itself a newspaper?
> [...] By the time the transformation from newspaper to magazine format had been completed, the habit of referring to ourselves as “this newspaper” had stuck.