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Here's how I expect this to go:

1. Six months from now, Apple will announce a new ad network, which will be whitelisted for Kids apps.

2. Twelve months from now, they'll ban all non-Apple ad networks in kids apps. If they want to be subtle about it, I'm sure they'll find some inappropriate ad to use as a pretext.

3. 18 months from now, they'll open their ad network to all apps.

4. 24 months from now, they'll ban non-Apple ad networks in all apps, and swim in money as they've found another way to squeeze more money out of their captive userbase.

And every step of the way, HN will cheer as Apple continues to brutally exploit their ownership of the platform.

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Sure thing I will cheer. I'm tired to death by quality and content of the ads in apps right now. I'm tired to death that apps have size of an elephant because of bunch of unrelated advertising and tracking frameworks compiled in. I'm tired that apps require permissions they don't need and then send data who knows where. And no, I don't give accesses, but bunch of people who has my contact information and less tech savvy or less privacy conscious send it around, left right and center.

So yeah, I will cheer. You can't fix your shit? Ok then, Apple will do this, this time on their terms.

That’s a good way to give the antitrust investigators even more evidence of wrongdoing. And I’m sure the ad companies will be more than happy to flood the DOJ and FTC with complaints.

What's the problem about Apple doing that? It's their platform. You can go use whatever else you like, nobody forces you to use their system.

What’s the problem about jsnell posting that? It’s their post. You can go read whatever else you like, nobody forces you to read their comment.

If you don’t think jsnell’s prediction/complaint/insight was worthy, your post seems hypocritical to me unless I’m missing something.

There is no problem about jsnell posting that. I just want to know what all the complaints about Apple (Amazon, Google, etc) is about. Why would it be wrong for Apple to do everything jsnell predicts?

It's not okay for Apple. It's a bait and switch tactic which Google uses that Apple is doing now. They created their App ecosystem on the basis of Ad's. Now they're strong arming developers to doing things their way.

It should not be okay, and must be protested. I hope that the government and Anti-trust lawsuits force apple to unbundle the Appstore. Apple has made enough money to recoup their investment starting from the first iPhone, and made incredible profit over that too.

Now laws should be made to ban appstores bundled with an operating system, and hardware.

Everyone should be allowed to install the app store they want with a flick of a button.

How do you define enough money? The fact that you don’t like it doesn’t mean you can get the government involved. Protest all you want, but that doesn’t give you the right to call for help from the government to enforce something because you consider they had “enough” success. Go build your own company, compete. If it is that bad developers would go somewhere else.

Apple force's you to use their platform if you have an Apple device. You can't install fdroid, or anything else.

But YOU chose to buy the device. Nobody forced you to buy an Apple device.

And that is why Apple devices are more secure, faster, more privacy-respecting, and last much longer with good performance. That trade-off is absolutely worth it to me.

Nope. Kids demand Apple devices because of the cool factor.

"Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19610357

Seems like they're abusing their monopoly to me.

Where do you see a monopoly? The fact that people choose it doesn’t make it a monopoly. Specially with that price tag. You can choose many other options. There is no real economic argument to call it a monopoly.

"Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19610357

They've got a monopoly on kids devices.

Market share is different from monopoly. Apple is not the only phone manufacturer. There are many companies out there making phones. The fact that everybody likes or chooses them doesn’t mean they are a monopoly.

Market share is absolutely a huge factor in defining who has a monopoly.

Apple failed at in app advertising so badly years ago, I doubt they will go down that road again.

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