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For a start, I don't own, and don't want Apple devices.

Also, stories about FISA overreach, PRISM, the rest of the alphabet soup plus gag orders do not particularly inspire confidence.

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then use signal. friends don't let friends use telegram. Signal gives you all of this without the snake oil that telegram is selling you.

You use pretty strong language and have your facts wrong (in the post above when you say chats are stored in plain text). What's your angle?

Also, we are discussing web login options here which afaik Signal doesn't support.

My angle is stopping folks using and recommending telegram. Where are my facts wrong?

Like I said, the chats are stored (or are claimed to be stored) in an encrypted form. But I think I understand why it may count as "stored unencrypted" in your eyes. Still, Signal won't cut it. It's too inconvenient to use, and while maybe it provides better security it's like a very strong password policy in a company that entices users to just write down passwords on Post-it notes.

I couldn't get my friends use Signal, it's not there yet in terms of user friendliness (hell, I wouldn't use it). But Telegram works for me, and I consider it a substantial improvement over Whatsapp. YMMV.

Signal requires a phone number. If anything, use Keybase, you'll also get good team handling, file sharing and bunch of other nice convinience features.

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