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Comment by alfalfasprout | Hacker News Reader

It's mindblowing how so many developers are quick to build on the Java ecosystem... an ecosystem backed by a company so hell-bent on stifling innovation.

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Java was created by Sun. Oracle bought them mainly to sue Google.

Kotlin from jetbrains is where developer mindshare is today ;)

But Kotlin does run on Oracle's JVM, no?

Runs on OpenJDK as well...

That's Oracle's too.

Really? In what way does it differ from Oracle Java SE ?

Since Java 11 only in commercial support model. Code bits are about same.

In that it is GPL+Link Exception licensed. The copyright still belongs to Oracle. See this[0] example:

> This code is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License version 2 only

[0] http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk6/jdk6/jdk/file/tip/src/share/...

But it's open source. GPL. And it's not just Oracle that contributes to Java... (OpenJDK and Java Community, Red Hat, Azul Systems, IBM, Apple Inc, SAP SE)... We've had Amazon and AdoptOpenJDK compile and distribute their own binaries as well. We could fork it if we had to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenJDK

OpenJDK is under GPL (+exceptions) now, it wasn't at the time. As long as you don't use oracle's binary builds these concerns don't apply anymore.

It's GPL but still predominantly influenced and largely developed by Oracle. They won't be responsive to the needs and wants of the community and are backed by evil business practices.

You may want to consider this affects literally every piece of software in every language that has ever called into another library.

People have been using Java for decades, when it wasn't even backed by Oracle. It's impractical to think people can just throw out millions of lines of Java code and hours of experience and knowledge just because of some "omg Oracle evil" argument.

How many developers make that decision as far as work goes?

Every developer that continues to use Java or takes on a project that uses Java makes that decision, either explicitly or not. The market for Java developers exist because Java developers keep developing in Java.

I'm not arguing for OP though, I'm just saying that we all have a choice in what technology to use.

Many developers do not have a say as to what technology to use in a company.

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