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Family Sues Tesla After Model X Accident

independent.com

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"Tesla explained its vehicles continuously record and transmit operational and diagnostic data to the company’s servers. The data from Halcourt’s Model X showed its engine was actually not turned off, and that soon after Halcourt’s toddler entered the SUV through the open back door and crawled into the driver’s seat, he first pressed the brake pedal then shifted the gear selector to Drive.

“Over the next 6 seconds, the vehicle continued to be in Drive gear with the brake pedal pressed until the accelerator pedal was pressed and the brake pedal was released,” Tesla stated. “In the next 4 seconds, while varying manual pressure continued to be applied to the accelerator pedal, the vehicle speed increase was consistent with the pressure applied to the accelerator pedal. Then, the brake pedal was pressed including activation of the Anti-Lock Braking System, the accelerator pedal was released, and the vehicle came to a stop.”

I'm not a Tesla Fanboy or anything but if this is true I don't see how they are at fault.

i seriously think people are paid to post these stories to spread fud. they are non-stop on all social media.

this is not interesting at all... she left her car running and her child put the car in gear. this story should be removed.

how does a 2 year old reach the brake pedal while shifting the car into gear?

It's impossible, right? What could possible happen if you leave the engine on?

A toddler operating a vehicle is a possibility in almost all consumer cars, especially when not turned off.

Only manual transmission cars provide a challenging enough interface that a young child mimicking the motions of driving couldn't accidentally cause an accident.

The level of data recorded...

Surveillance on 4 wheels.

The problem isn't that the data is collected, it's that Tesla is the one collecting it and not the owner. But honestly, the average person isn't going to care about or even be capable of maintaining that. So really we could just consider this to be a valuable service Tesla is offering. Even more so, imagine if Tesla had to defend their driving systems from lawsuits without having access to this data. I'm not sure they'd be able to survive as well as they do.

> The problem isn't that the data is collected, it's that Tesla is the one collecting it and not the owner.

If the data is recorded, it will be in Teslas possession by the next over air update or service, right?

> imagine if Tesla had to defend their driving systems from lawsuits without having access to this data.

Well, that's exactly what the automotive industry has been able to do up to very recently. Just because technology allows for it doesn't mean society or the consumers should.

> If the data is recorded, it will be in Teslas possession by the next over air update or service, right?

> Well, that's exactly what the automotive industry has been able to do up to very recently.

What's your point?

> Just because technology allows for it doesn't mean society or the consumers should.

I don't know what you're referring as 'it'. Data? Sending to Tesla? Assisted driving?

>> soon after Halcourt’s toddler entered the SUV through the open back door and crawled into the driver’s seat, he first pressed the brake pedal then shifted the gear selector to Drive

How is it even possible for a 2 year old? The whole story is just really hard to believe

> "The data from Halcourt’s Model X showed its engine was actually not turned off, and that soon after Halcourt’s toddler entered the SUV through the open back door and crawled into the driver’s seat, he first pressed the brake pedal then shifted the gear selector to Drive."

A couple problems with this statement is that there is no "engine" and there is no notion of turning the Tesla "off."

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