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You could pick a Ryzen with "G", like the Ryzen 5 2400G, though... They have an integrated GPU.

Unfortunately there were no desktop G parts (APUs) on the Zen+ architecture (as far as I know.) And they're not in the first round of Zen 2 either.

The 2400G, which I think is currently the top desktop APU, launched in Feb. 2018 and has four cores.

2xxx series is zen+, also ops complaint was about current gen ryzen, which the 2200G and 2400G fall in to.

Those APUs are a weird mix between Zen and Zen+, they got improvements over Zen but they are not fully Zen+, and they even have some unique drawbacks (the TIM, they are not soldered).

Complaining about TIM on an entry-level processor seems... questionable.

I was just highlighting that there are differences.

Though that temps are higher because of that, resulting in more work for the cooler, is not ideal for a CPU that's apart from that great for a HTPC.

Ah, interesting. Thanks for the clarification.

2000 series is not zen+ when it comes to APUs. 3000 series is zen+ in APUs.

Nothing stops integrators from using the 3xxxU parts and the old 2xxxG parts.

Regardless, I do expect G parts will be announced soon, too. 3 CPUs definitely isn't a full lineup.

four cores eight threads

The Zen+ APUs should be out soonish. Can find plenty of information about the Ryzen 3 3200G and 3400G, but no release date :P

They are limited to 4 cores. In the new lineup too, when G series comes out later, they'll be limited to 8 cores (one cliplet for CPU and one for GPU).

With this CPu chiplet design they couldn't have 2 8 core packages and a GPU on a single die.

For the vast majority of professional use cases 8 core / 16 thread running at 4.5+ boost is going to be way enough for a while. AMD sure has spoiled the market in just two years on commoditizing 8 core desktop chips because in 2016 the conversation would be about what flavor of $400+ quadcore or $800+ sextacore from Intel you were going to get.

Not true. 3000 series APUs are based on zen+.

Read 'later' as 'presumably labeled with a misleading 4xxx'.

I know of the G series and I know why they are usually a GEN behind specially given the quality of discrete graphics AMD has and they need to sale. But for work, for just productivity a lot of the savings washes up with the GPU. It used to be that you get super lowend graphics card for those workload but these days almost the lowest price GPU is ~90.

$39:

https://www.newegg.com/visiontek-radeon-5450-900860/p/N82E16...

Hardly the latest technology but you can plug a monitor into it.

No DisplayPort and it almost certainly doesn’t support 4k at 60Hz, both of which the Intel chipset supports and both of which I’d consider essential for high-end productivity use these days.

I still don't get how people are making use of 4k outside MacOS. Windows and Linux Desktop environments require tons of massaging to get scaling right, even with flagship software (some Adobe programs don't scale properly).

Here we are, 8 years after Apple started shipping "Retina" displays, and PC software hasn't caught up. It's embarrassing.

I use Ubuntu on a 13" 4k laptop with 2x scaling and I've never had any issues.

ah the OG king of HTPC/Media PC Graphics card. I used to have one in a HTPC paired with an Intel Q6600

Wow, that was a powerful (hot) CPU for an HTPC!

Just as an FYI for anyone looking for cheap basic display adapters, you can basically get an infinite supply of refurbed/pulled Quadro NVS 295 cards on eBay for $5-10.

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