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But they aren't just using their earnings. They are borrowing too.

That just means that at current interest rates, the stock's forward P/E exceeds the rate of interest. It's rational to borrow money to buy stock if the earnings spun off by the stock exceed the rate of interest. You're basically arbitraging against the bank: the bank gives you money to buy out people who think the stock is overvalued, you give them a set amount of interest for the money, and if it turns out you're right and the stock's future earnings exceed the price of that money, you pocket the difference at the expense of people who left the market. If you're wrong and earnings are less than the interest rate, it's reflected in net income, the stock drops, and you (and the rest of the shareholders) eat the difference, often in a dramatic fashion.

With low interest rates, high corporate profits, and low growth, I'd expect to see a lot of debt added to balance sheets; it's a way to lever up the capital structure to the benefit of existing shareholders, as long as profits remain high and interest rates remain low. (And corporate bonds/loans are usually fixed interest, so the interest rates are locked in until they need to go back to the debt markets.)

> If you're wrong and earnings are less than the interest rate, it's reflected in net income, the stock drops, and you (and the rest of the shareholders) eat the difference, often in a dramatic fashion.

Or you’ve already moved on, and the next CEO eats the difference. The incentives between those two vary wildly.

> it's a way to lever up the capital structure to the benefit of existing shareholders, as long as profits remain high and interest rates remain low

It’s only rational up to some level of indebtness (and often companies go too far). If you take on debt just because you can, how are you going to delever the balance sheet when earnings go down and interest rates go up?

The S&P Global source data[1] has a list of the top 20 Q4 buyback totals, as well as their buyback numbers for selected historical periods. It would be interesting to see how much debt those companies took on during those periods. The top company over the past 5 years, Apple, has been notorious for sitting on a massive cash reserve.

[1] http://press.spglobal.com/2019-03-25-S-P-500-Q4-2018-Buyback...

Our tax policy encourages this. You can write off the interest you pay to bondholders, but you can’t write off the dividends you pay to shareholders. Everyone involved (except for the government) is better off if you sell bonds and buy back stock.

The recent reform puts some limits on deductibility of interest expenses, but I don’t know what is the practical impact of that cap (30% of adjusted taxable income = earnings before interest, depreciation, amortization, and taxes).

Prior debt holders get punished as companies lever up. (But they usually don’t get a say in the matter unless they have strong covenants)

Heavily indebted companies struggle to survive distress too.

Theoretically as interest rates go up and corporate taxes go down the benefits of such leveraged recaps should soften. On a stand-alone basis if a firm needs to increase leverage to find an optimal cost of capital, adding debt and buying back stock is a reasonable strategy.

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