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I use gmail and I value privacy, I pay for g-suite though.

I tried all of them, fastmail, protonmail, tutanota, Runbox and a few others, and none of them came close to using gmail. So I figured, what the hell, g-suite is around the same price and it gets me 30gb of cloud storage as well.

I wish google was a little more clear on where the privacy starts and ends though. Like if you want to use google home with a g-suite, you have to enable a bunch of tracking. I know this has to do with the fact that google wants to separate business from personal use, but really, I don’t want two e-mails.

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Just out of interest, what do you prefer with gmail over fastmail? I find using FM to be a much better experience.

Two things I like about Gmail over Fastmail:

- I can have multiple inboxes displayed in Gmail at the same time, such as is:unread or is:starred

- I can compose an email while reading another in the same window/tab

That being said, there are a lot of things I like about Fastmail over Gmail, notably that its way faster. As an admin (our business uses both Fastmail and Gsuite), I also like how much simpler and more standards compliant Fastmail is as well.

I’ve never seen a spam message in Gmail, and can’t say the same for the latter.

I've noticed the GMail spam filter seems to be really poor over the last six months or so. I'm getting obviously spam emails claiming to be from mispelled versions of ADT and insurance companies, with mystery-meat reply-to addresses, that look like they were composed by a drunken six year-old, landing in my inbox almost daily.

I mark and report them spam, and yet gmail won't even pick up on them if the same mail comes through again later from the same sender.

Spam, I got a lot of it on fastmail and even though I kept flagging it as spam, it kept coming.

The mobile client, I really like the gmail iOS client. I think fastmail was better than the native iOS mail client, but I just really like the gmail one.

Google docs, photos and drive are nice additions, but it’s mainly the first two.

I keep reading about the spam problem. Can't confirm that for me. I extremely rarely get spam in my inbox while on gmail I got about the same amounts but also quite a few false positives.

The mobile client: I don't know the iOS client but urgh. The Android FM client is pretty lame :D Luckily, I rarely use it.

I use next cloud for all docs, images, etc. and neither has an integration so that's a toss-up for me ;)

When you say gmail, do you mean gmail or g-suite? Because my gmail gets a lot of spam, but my g-suite doesn’t.

I meant gmail. I didn't even know there were differences like that between them. I think when I switched to FM, G-Suite was business only.

I think it’s mostly still business, but a lot of the things I do business wise correlate with a lot of things I do personally, so it blends together rather nice.

Now I prefer the mix, I can certainly understand people who prefer the separation.

It's the false positives that make me worry the most about Gmail :\ I sometimes get personal emails from family shoved in the spam folder - they're in my contact book, they're starred, they're relatively frequent emailers in both directions... but still, in to spam you go.

The false-positives are usually so absurd, that I have to assume they have no boundaries for their ML-whatever. If it says spam because it has decided that contact books are only worth 90% positive signal, then into spam it goes. ML > any hard-coded rational decisions.

Postini was great. Google bought them out, but it seems it’s not as good as it used to be in filtering out spoofed SPAM. Corp Gmail is more targeted for S.P.AM. due it it being a business account.

I used to use gauite (and still do at work) but switched to fastmail for my private stuff, and it feels faster and better in every possible way, with the exception of not having google docs or equiv

fastmail is a lot nicer on macOS/iOS at least because apple and fastmail partnered to allow push email notifications. http://blog.fastmail.com/2015/07/17/push-email-now-available...

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