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Agreed, the keyboard is awful. I just want a decent/good keyboard, an HDMI port, and just 1 USB A port, I'll definitely take 0.5mm thicker for those. Well, at least they kept the headphone jack...

32gb ram and an 8 core processor is awesome, but all the downsides have turned me away from getting the next gen unless they fix those things.

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> an 8 core processor is awesome

Yeah but there's no way this thing has the thermal or power capacity to actually run that 8-core CPU at its rated specs. This already happened with the 6-core in the previous gen, and it certainly doesn't look like Apple did anything to improve thermal capacity in this refresh. Hopefully they at least addressed the lack of VRM power delivery, but that doesn't seem likely.

So you're taking a platform that was already pushed past its thermal & power capacities, and increased the thermal & power load by another 30% (keep in mind these are all still on Intel's 14nm that hasn't really changed, so no efficiency improvements here). Maybe the reviews will be surprising, but I wouldn't bet on it.

> and it certainly doesn't look like Apple did anything to improve thermal capacity in this refresh

Well, it says they did, but I guess you know better.

> Well, it says they did, but I guess you know better.

I don't see any comments from Apple talking about improving the cooling. What are you referring to? And what did they change? It still looks like the same tiny opening in the hinge, with no additional venting anywhere?

> Agreed, the keyboard is awful.

I don't really get the hate for these keyboards. I benchmarked my typing speed on my 2019 MBP and a few other keyboards, I didn't notice any significant difference. Just a keyboard...

Failure rate, not typing speed, is the crux of the concern. Additionally, at least for me, is the volume of the keypresses - much louder.

I didn’t get it until I bought a new keyboard and starting working on it. You quickly realize how uncomfortable this keyboard is.

They are loud, to the point of being annoying during a meeting / conference call and the travel distance is a bit too short for some people, making typing unpleasant. If you use a Lenovo or even a dell of equal body thickness for a bit and then get back to a modern Mac, the difference is huge.

The two main issues for me are failure rates and key travel. My fingers literally hurt when I use it. The 2012-2015 form was probably less beautiful to look at (and slightly thicker), but it was much better to type with.

I'm glad someone else mentioned their fingers physically hurting when using it. I haven't seen many other complaints round this online and its shocking - This made me stop using the device completely - I was in pain just by typing normally!

I love the keyboard.

I don't mind it (though as I commented elsewhere, the volume of the keypresses is a bit louder). I think most of the complaints are aimed at reliability however, which is a bit scary on a $2000+ machine (even though I had to replace the SSD, the keys on my 2013 MBP are still as good as day 1)

Have you found it?

2018 Macbook Pro is 3mm thinner than 2015 MBP.

0.5mm for all the things you asked for sounds really hard.

I'd take 3mm thicker than the 2015 without suffering much. These things go into backpacks that have much more space anyways.

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