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In France some test is going on to turn long term joblesness into proactive social life. They made a dummy company (one per city) that will hire everyone and pay them up to 21k euros per year to do things (what kind I don't know, probably small services and tasks). TV News was saying that it had suprisingly large success so far.

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It's interesting to think about this in terms of UBI (universal basic income). This test is the opposite in some ways since it's providing the utility as the motivation rather than the income directly. The premise of UBI is that the income is provided such that the individuals would aim to benefit society on their own terms and find utility that way.

I am of the kind to fit UBI well. Give me a hangar and a bit of money to pay food and some tools and I'd fix the city. I'm sure some wouldn't use money for interesting things. The zero joblesness project is indeed an interesting approach.

As an HN user, you would make more money with your current skill set in the current job market. With that in mind, your net value to society through said job would be higher than the value you would provide fixing the city with that UBI money. Before going to extreme UBI scenarios, it would be interesting to have private enterprises tackle projects that effect the public with public funds that are earmarked to go directly to actual individuals at those enterprises (versus retaining profit) or individuals in that locale.

I don't know, he could also work in ad tech and have a net negative impact on society. In that case just paying him to do nothing would be better. :)

That's mostly my concern, I tried finding IT related jobs for really useful things (anticrime, education) but failed. Most interviews I ended up going to were of basic recruiter kind and no social value IMO.

This is exactly what I propose to people who are against the idea of UBI and usually the reception to it is very positive.

If this is contingent on public service it's not UBI. The essence of UBI is to be unconditional.

...hence people against UBI responding positively to this. OP never said this was UBI.

True, I use that tact rather than starting an argument with someone who would definitely just leave without changing their mind and probably even more entrenched. That way hopefully at the end of the conversation some sort of progress has been made.

Interesting! Where can one read more about this initiative? French sources OK.

I think that's what they were talking about https://www.tzcld.fr/

(territory zero chomage/joblesness long duration)

Sounds like college

Where can I get paid 21k euros a year to go to college? I might never leave

Try European countries

I got tuition + around 12k USD per year when I studied in Denmark...

(Obviously, you'll eventual graduate)

Source please?

I think that's what they were talking about https://www.tzcld.fr/

(territory zero chomage/joblesness long duration)

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