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You do know that China actively has concentration camps, right? They use data and tech they've stolen to do it. You really think that's the same as Facebook serving you ads? Give me a break.

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This comment crosses into nationalistic and political flamewar and that is not ok here.

No (I sense I need to add), I'm not defending concentration camps, just defending HN against burning itself to a crisp. If you want to participate on HN, please contribute to thoughtful conversation. "Concentration camps [...] give me a break" does not qualify.

Moreover, we've had to warn you about this exact thing before. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the spirit of this site more to heart? Our hope is not to be one more place on the internet where people bring bags of clubs to bash each other with.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19955289 and marked it off-topic.

I don't see how pointing out a country has concentration camps (reported by multiple outlets, like the NYTs) is "nationalistic," or against the spirit of the site. In fact the story has been reported here...A LOT.

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=china%20muslims&sort=byPopular...

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=china%20concentration&sort=byP...

I don't see anyone being "warned" about their -submissions- on this very topic. Maybe I'm missing something, but it feels like this "policy" is not evenly enforced. In fact a US political topic in regards to rights is currently on the front page:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19959428

I'm aware of how often the story has been submitted and also how often people bring it up in comments, including where it breaks this site guideline to do so:

"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

The issue is that your comment was taking the thread further into flamewar. That's not ok here. Is the policy evenly enforced? No, because we don't see everything. That doesn't make it ok to break the rules though.

Still fail to see how this is an unrelated controversy or generic tangent, when Huawei has been accused of aiding in human rights violations with the Chinese government. That is very much on topic. If it were just China in general, that would be a tangent...but this is about Huawei which was accused of this by "Reporters without Borders" just last month, of assisting in Chinese concentration camps imprisoning Muslims https://rsf.org/en/reports/rsf-report-chinas-pursuit-new-wor....

The reason I say this is unevenly enforced is that people constantly point out US companies aiding the NSA via PRISM from years back...but new reports of the Chinese government doing the same thing, if not worse, are marked as "nationalist" and "flamebait." Either both are, or neither are. It seems like one comes under much more scrutiny than the other. Maybe that's something you and the mod team need to figure out.

They use data stolen from western users of their phones to aid in the operation of concentration camps? You're saying that by giving Chinese companies their data by using a Chinese phone, GP should consider themselves complicit in helping China run their concentration camps? What?

Ok, yes, that is true. But the USA commits war crimes and doesn't want to be brought before court over them. So I should stop using US goods if I gave a shit about human rights, right?

Throwing up your hands and saying "everyone's bad" is just moral laziness. I'm not American and it's obvious China is far worse than the USA in terms of human rights.

Not really if you are not a citizen of said country.

Or to put it in numbers:

- 80% of the world population is not Chinese, and are not affected by China.

- 95% of the world population is not American, and are very much affected by the US.

Like Guantanamo?

Anyone who ended up in Guntanamo would have had a bullet to head in PRC, they would not bother with a camp. It is for hundreds of thousands of undesirables(like Muslims etc).

When USA ships it’s Muslims into a camp in Nevada desert and starts re-educating them let us know

As if CIA and co doesn't do the same.

So how is Geneva convention working on there?

Your list of undesirables is just sad.

Well, from his perspective, as long as he's never going to China, do those camps matter?

I like the downvotes for expressing a cynical perspective :)))

50% of US inmates (prison slave labor participants) are African American, sounds pretty concentrated here as well.

I don't believe the whole continent of Africa has 1.5 million Africans in jail, this is a uniquely American outcome.

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