Comment by nickpsecurity | Hacker News Reader

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You left off the assumptions that AGI will be a superintelligence and one capable of capturing all value. There's no evidence to believe either one. Instead, it will probably be pretty dumb like humans are without the decades of supervised training we get and our interactions with the world. Further, the second a smart one starts getting devastating results, there will be political push-back to do something about it. People might cast votes to make rules about them that limit their power or rate of development.

Which gets us back to the real risk that people like Altman are too detached from reality to get: the masses being damaged by laws and companies controlled by tiny few, aka a plutonomy. That's where we're at. That's what's causing most problems people face. For example, CEO's trying to get bonuses do layoffs while folks like Altman wonder how AI might hurt jobs. If they're really worried, the smart folks need to pool all their resources together to combat the ability of special interests to bribe politicians and get away with it. Then, incentive structures that do less damage to employees and consumers as the companies grow. That be a start on addressing real problems vs those they're making up.

I am very enthusiastic about AGI but I think it's strange how most other enthusiasts seem to assume that AGI automatically becomes (extremely) super-intelligent. I can't rule out the possibility of that being engineered deliberately over a period of months or years, assuming it's possible, but it seems like it is in no way automatic.

At the very least the system would need extensive training. No reason to believe that the initial versions will have some super-human superspeed self-training ability to absorb a lifetime of information in a very short period.

Also OpenAI seems to have their main strategy for ensuring it's safe as just being the first group to progress towards it and then witholding their research except for select "safe" partners. This seems like it can only make the deployment less democratic rather than necessarily safer.

As far as made up versus real problems, my guess is for someone like Altman who is benefiting so much from the system, it is hard for his worldview to really acknowledge extreme flaws such as fundamental corruption.

I think the only certainty here is the need to spend a lot of money on compute - whether from third party cloud services or from fans manufacturing chips you designed.

The description of some company or system capturing all future value sounds more like a singleton than general intelligence. Instead of calling themselves OpenAI maybe they could change their name to something that reflects that direction.

> Further, the second a smart one starts getting devastating results, there will be political push-back to do something about it. People might cast votes to make rules about them that limit their power or rate of development.

My fear of AGI is that it will not be able to be stopped once deployed, as you're saying. It's irreversible. It will know that we want to shut it down, and so it will be able to copy itself onto other devices (think about the hacking capabilities of AGI for a moment), or any other method of survival.

The current approach is to regulate it after it is invented. While this worked for cars and planes and many other inventions, AGI is different for the reason above.

In fact, with that in mind, a scary thought is that any group of researchers who are cognizant of that would hide their creation of AGI if successful, assuming they were motivated by profit. Thus it would remain woefully unregulated.

> think about the hacking capabilities of AGI for a moment

We're discussing the hypothetical skills and capabilities of a thing which is fundamentally science fiction. The rules are treated as arbitrary.

I don't see a priori why an AGI would be intrinsically good at hacking, or even why it would be capable of exponentially improving itself.

This is the problem I see with any discussion of AGI. The game's rules don't matter, so we can define whichever properties we'd like for the sake of argument. There's no skin in the game to counteract that, because we have no conception of what AGI will actually be like - nor if it's even possible.

As it stands, in your comment and the rest of this thread I see a variety of leaps and jumps to scenarios which seem completely undefended.

I try to stay grounded by comparing them to both prior AI's, regular brains, savant intelligence, and combinations of them playing to each's strengths. When I do this, I realize that we already have systems in place preventing, reducing, and containing damage from all kinds of smart humans. We react to their schemes in areas like finance in cat and mouse game. The AGI's would probably be no worse than dealing with them so long as they're designed to be hard or impossible to copy themselves.

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