Another dubious claim that someone has “decoded” the Voynich manuscript
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But... how would a medieval forger know about linguistic patterns of natural languages, that weren't discovered until centuries later?
The Turkish guy's hypothesis sounds like the most plausible.
Anything that can shed new light on the book is intriguing, but I'm not buying this without extraordinary evidence.
"Proto-Romance" is a real term, but it's typically used to refer to Vulgar Latin.
Usually, if you're proposing a proto-language, you need to give a consistent and reasonable set of rules that have both explanatory and predictive capability in terms of one language becoming another. I can posit a rule, for example, that a Latin b in between vowels becomes a v in Italian: the Latin taberna becomes the Italian taverna, the Latin diabolus becomes the Italian diavolo, the Latin habere becomes the Italian avere. This rule means that given a Latin word, I can predict what an Italian word descended from it would look like, and similarly, if I have an Italian word, I can speculate what the Latin word it descended from would look like if it were indeed of Latin origin.
The Cheshire paper makes no effort to explain the rules that get you from Latin to his "Proto-Romance", and in turn to modern Romance languages. It's all ad-hoc, based on grabbing whatever happened to resemble his decoding, which is why words are borrowed from wherever he could find a match.
(Also: to be totally pedantic, the b-becomes-v rule mentioned above is not the complete story, and there are exceptions, e.g. Latin habitus becomes Italian abito. It's a good first approximation, though.)
Protong has always fascinated me as a theory and an artefact of a very, very imaginative mind - but as the years go by, and more and more pre-history gets unearthed, I find myself wondering just whether or not Szukalski was onto something. His theories on Zermatism are heinous and very, very repugnant (racism) but the idea that there was a global proto-tongue that was spoken by a civilisation that covered the globe, only to be lost during a cataclysm, is very compelling nevertheless.
Szukalski, Protong:
The idea that all human language stems from a common source is not an uncommon hypothesis. This hypothetical language is sometimes called proto-human or proto-world, and there have been some attempts at reconstructing it, but it's also not a slam-dunk in terms of evidence: other linguists believe in linguistic polygenesis, which is the idea that there were multiple independently-evolved ancestor languages, and both positions have some evidence for them. Still, there are linguists who believe in it and are working towards understanding what it might have looked like.
Any specific reconstruction of proto-human, though, is difficult, and would need to be subjected to a pretty rigorous set of criteria. There have been attempts along these lines, sometimes using statistical methods, sometimes using comparative reconstruction (which is the linguistic technique of extrapolating a common ancestor between multiple related languages), but languages change a lot—especially if they don't have a written language, which was the norm for most world languages until recently—so merely extrapolating a few hundred years back can be difficult and involve a lot of guesswork and masses of evidence. Going tens of thousands of years back is truly grasping at straws, and as such any proposal along these lines is going to have to be as bulletproof as possible. (Indeed, a large number of linguists believe that enough information has been lost since a proto-human language might have existed, that such a reconstruction is in fact impossible!)
Protong specifically looks like it involves a lot of playing with semantics in a way that doesn't match what we know about how languages evolve. There's a lot of, "Well, this language has a word that sounds like this and means 'murderer', and that language has a word that sounds like this and means 'run', and you run from bad things and also murderers are bad, so that's a proto-word that means 'bad'." That's not how language evolution works, and if you accept those kinds of arguments, you could make just as convincing a case that any language has any relationship you want to any other language! The classic example of this is from the Dutch physician Johannes Goropius Becanus, who believed that the original primordial language as spoken in the Garden of Eden was his native dialect of Antwerpian Dutch: for example, he suggested that the name Adam came from the Dutch Hath-Dam, or "dam-against-hate". If you can use your argument to "prove" that Biblical Hebrew was descended from Dutch, then you're not using a robust argument.
And to address the original question: if we have such difficulty reconstructing a proto-language now, with our wealth of collected and available knowledge, it would have been an impossibly difficult task in a Europe that had not yet deciphered Egyptian or had extensive contact with the New World. Consequently: even if the monogenetic hypothesis of language is true, and even if proto-human is a reconstructible language (whether it resembles Protong or not), it would be vanishingly unlikely that a person or group of people had managed to reconstruct it with enough accuracy that they could write an entire manuscript in an invented writing system that happened to mirror it. Given all this, I'm absolutely confident in saying that the Voynich manuscript is not in Protong or anything like it.
>it would be vanishingly unlikely that a person or group of people had managed to reconstruct it with enough accuracy that they could write an entire manuscript in an invented writing system that happened to mirror it
What about the case where the author of the Voynich Manuscript still spoke the proto-human tongue, i.e. that it was authored in an environment where that language was still relatively active, and has since dissipated? We do know that there have been communities of humans that have persisted since pre-history - the Sentinelese. Its an idle speculation, but one has to wonder if their language has been studied well enough to have been applied to the Voynich solution.
Anyway, thanks again for the insight. Protong is a pet hobby of mine, but I don't take it fully seriously - I just happen to think the idea of an encoded, pre-historic language to be found in all ancient art is fascinating, even if not legitimate in terms of scientific accuracy. Its the programmer in me, I suppose, which hopes to see the assembly language instructions that make up a broader set of symbols...
The Sentinelese language hasn't been studied at all—it's hypothesized that it's related to the nearby Ongan languages (spoken in the same island chain as Sentinel Island) but when Onge speakers have attempted to communicate with the Sentinelese, they haven't been able to understand what's being said. (Which doesn't disprove the hypothesis: English and German spring from a common ancestor, but if an English speaker heard German for the first time, they too would have no idea what was being said!) But as I said above: just because a group is isolated, that doesn't mean that their language isn't changing just as much as others—it might just be changing in different directions!
Vogt starts by comparing the writing system to similar-looking classes, identifying internal (in)consistencies and testing the theories on likely cognates for stars and plants.
Derek did a good job with internal reconstruction, and in light of the recent star chart update someone with knowledge of Romani should attempt to falsify his hypothesis. You might not succeed, but honest historical linguistics is a satisfying journey.
Every time I look at it, I get the feeling someone had a vision. Maybe took something particularly great. Maybe was just a little too bat shit. Maybe drank bad mead?
Whatever the source for the excellent illustrations, they convey a strange land with compelling oddities. It is all fantastic!
Should this prove to be trolling?
Epic whoever you were. Well played.
I was once part of a youth group and was strongly pressured to do that.
My inhibition was profound. At that moment I gave organized religion up. I am not religious, but do seem spiritual. Go figure.
Between that and being told who to hate and what platinum album was gonna send me to hell, it was enough.
I could have done it that day. Make up some stuff, or just let the vocalizations flow. But why?
I did find the others listening to garner meaning super interesting. There is a sort of resonance possible too. Speakers, or utterers more precisely, pick up common elements. The whole affair becomes sort of tribal.
Over time, all sorts of status, membership, meta basically, is inferred through many sessions.
(TL;DR: xkcd - D&D book; hyper_reality - scamming someone rich.)
I kind of hope it remains unsolved. The document is far more compelling as a mystery than whatever its contents might be.