Uber IPO underwriter so certain IPO was overpriced they shorted it themselves
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Even a basic understanding of incentives (let alone stock shorting) shows the absurdity of the headline. If Morgan Stanley purposely overpriced the IPO and then shorted it - it would tarnish their reputation and future IPO prospects.
But in rare cases, bankers will use a strategy called a “naked short,” which allows underwriters to sell shares in excess of that greenshoe portion and then buy them back in the open market to provide even more firepower in the event there is significant selling pressure."
How does MS taking a short position help the stock?
My (naive) understand is that a short would add more sellers, typically driving the price down.
But the short added selling pressure.
Essentially as they cover the short, they are just removing the extra selling pressure they created.
Here Morgan Stanley (legally) issued even more stock at the outset, so that it could buy it back when the price fell, propping up the price.
The reason that the short didn't push the price down like you say is that it already existed at the outset. Morgan Stanley didn't sell shares after trading began, it just created them out of thin air at the beginning, in the belief that the price would drop and that they would need the extra firepower. Had they been wrong, they would have lost a lot of money on buying back the stock at a higher price.
The headline is:
> Uber IPO underwriter so certain IPO was overpriced they shorted it themselves
Morgan Stanley sells 115% of the stock, i.e. they sold stock that doesn't exist. Then they expect people who bought the IPO to immediately sell, and then Morgan Stanley buys that stock.
This does two things: It shows buying activity on the open market, raising the price.
And it covers their extra 15% that they sold, so all is well?
You do know Morgan Stanley was fined $4.4B for their roll in selling toxic assets to their investor clients while internally selling off the same securities, which they knew were toxic.
Morgan Stanley’s reputation is they will sell their clients shit that they know is shit, and if they own the shit themselves they will also sell it off further driving down the price of the shit you bought from them. They will happily pay the fines because they make more money than the fines. They don’t care about their reputation because they don’t have one and their track record shows they can commit any abuse they want and moron investors will still give them their business.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-05-15/wework...
The second story is (again) on Uber and definitely worth the read if you want to understand more
"If you were...inclined to be critical...you would characterize this as Uber’s underwriters talking up the stock to their investing clients, telling them that there was lots of demand at $45, and then pricing the deal there, while at the same time quietly betting their own money that the stock would fall immediately. They sold stock to their customers while betting against that stock, and then that bet turned out to be correct and they made many millions of dollars on it. I cannot stress enough that that was not the subjective experience of Uber’s bankers, who undoubtedly—for their own careers, for their relationships with investors and issuers, for their reputations as skilled bankers—wanted this deal to go differently. But it kind of is what happened, oops. At least they got the money."
More realistically, Morgan Stanley makes money as a middle man and just want to sell as many shares as they can.
Specifically, if Morgan Stanley had come up with, say $38 as the share price for IPO, Uber would have found a new bank for their IPO. Morgan Stanley (or Bank X) can provide different IPO services, but the bank is not really responsible for the stock price.
And yet more Uber Huh. Here’s Leslie Picker at CNBC:
"Uber’s underwriters, led by Morgan Stanley, were so worried the company’s initial public offering had run into trouble, they deployed a nuclear option ahead of the deal last week, so they could provide extra support for the stock, four people with knowledge of the move said."
This level of support, known as a “naked short,” is a technique that goes above and beyond the traditional help a new offering can get.
In every deal, there’s an overallotment, which allows the underwriters to sell 115% of the available offering to investors, effectively opening a short position. The excess 15% can be purchased by the underwriters in the open market — covering the short position — to support the stock if it goes down. More colloquially, this is known as the “greenshoe.”
But in rare cases, bankers will use a strategy called a “naked short,” which allows underwriters to sell shares in excess of that greenshoe portion and then buy them back in the open market to provide even more firepower in the event there is significant selling pressure.
The naked short,[5], is a fully at-risk way to support the deal: The underwriters sell even more stock short at the deal price, and then buy it back in the open market if the stock goes down or up. If it goes down, they make money. If it goes up, they lose money. If it goes up a lot, they lose a lot of money.
Most IPO stocks go up in their first few days, and many go up quite a lot. Underwriters generally price IPOs for a nice early pop. So naked shorts are fairly uncommon. Underwriters only go naked short on an IPO if they are pretty sure that it is a dud, one of the minority of offerings that will quickly trade below the IPO price.
But it is hard to communicate that. While Morgan Stanley was deciding to go naked short the Uber IPO, it was also putting out happy noises about how much demand there was and about how the deal would be priced conservatively to ensure a nice pop. There is a fine line to walk here: None of those statements seem to have been untrue (surely the underwriters had at least three times as many orders as they had shares, which is actually not that great, and the deal was priced near the low end of the already conservative-seeming range), but the overall implication was that they were confident that the stock would go up. They were not confident that it would go up. In fact, they were so confident that it would go down that they put their own money at risk on that bet. But they didn’t lie to anyone. They were just marketing; the underwriters were doing what they could to make people excited about Uber’s stock, so that those people would want to buy the stock, so that it would go up in the aftermarket. An IPO is a sentiment-driven process, and the underwriters’ optimism or pessimism is contagious; if you want the deal to go well you have to say that it’s going well. Without lying, I mean. The worse it is going, the harder that is to do.
On the other hand:
"Some of the bankers tried to console market participants prior to the opening of trading by telling them that there would be additional support from the naked short, said one of the people, who asked not to be named discussing private conversations."
If you’re telling some people “buy as much as you can at $45, this deal is hot,” and telling other people (in “private conversations”) “this deal is a dog but at least we have a naked short,” then that is awkward.[6]
The other awkward thing is of course that the underwriters made money on their naked short; the more the stock went down, the more money they made. (And the bigger their naked short was—the more sure they were that the stock would go down—the more money they made.) This is not the point of the trade; as far as Uber’s underwriters are concerned, the naked short was a noble and self-sacrificing effort, done at considerable risk to themselves, to stabilize the stock and protect the interests of their issuer and investor clients. But, yeah, they made money on it. Depending on how big the naked short was and when they covered it, it’s quite plausible that Uber’s underwriters made more in trading profits than their $106.2 million underwriting fees.[7]
If you were … inclined to be critical … you would characterize this as Uber’s underwriters talking up the stock to their investing clients, telling them that there was lots of demand at $45, and then pricing the deal there, while at the same time quietly betting their own money that the stock would fall immediately. They sold stock to their customers while betting against that stock, and then that bet turned out to be correct and they made many millions of dollars on it. I cannot stress enough that that was not the subjective experience of Uber’s bankers, who undoubtedly—for their own careers, for their relationships with investors and issuers, for their reputations as skilled bankers—wanted this deal to go differently. But it kind of is what happened, oops. At least they got the money.
Also worth noting "naked shorts" and "naked shorting" are two different things... https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-05-15/wework...
Really tired of reading this - its thoroughly debunked in the S1, which nobody seems to have read.
Where do these future profits come from?
> We have incurred significant losses since inception, including in the United States and other major markets. We expect our operating expenses to increase significantly in the foreseeable future, and we may not achieve profitability.
> We have incurred significant losses since inception. We incurred operating losses of $4.0 billion and $3.0 billion in the years ended December 31, 2017 and 2018, and as of December 31, 2018, we had an accumulated deficit of $7.9 billion. We will need to generate and sustain increased revenue levels and decrease proportionate expenses in future periods to achieve profitability in many of our largest markets, including in the United States, and even if we do, we may not be able to maintain or increase profitability. We anticipate that we will continue to incur losses in the near term as a result of expected substantial increases in our operating expenses, as we continue to invest in order to: [...]
So I can under why people keep saying that, even if it is a gross exaggeration.
But Uber is clearly profitable, in the sense that they charge more for rides than said rides cost, but they do have a negative EBITA and are going into debt to fund necessary expansion.
It's silly for people to claim they have no prospect of making money, but Uber is certainly a risky investment at this point.
Cool, so if Uber had no employees, infrastructure or marketing costs it would make money?
The opening price is set by supply and demand. Few investors can buy an IPO at the offering price, because most shares go to the underwriter’s best institutional clients, and some are reserved for the company’s “friends and family.” So most investors' only option is to buy in the open market when the shares start trading.
The day an IPO is released, buy and sell orders pile up until they are balanced against each other, determining the opening price. If the demand for shares exceeds the supply, the shares open higher than the offering price; otherwise they open lower.
Is it though, if the underwriter is using a naked short to put an artificial floor on the price of the stock?
> no prospect of making a profit
which is an unsubstantiated claim.