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>This is stupid. All the demos are on public roads. George Hortz needs to chill before he ends up in jail.

There are literally thousands of community members using this software on a daily basis, driving thousands of miles in real life situations daily. I've been commuting to work with it for 3 months now and it's the most lifechanging piece of tech I've come across since the iPhone. I get on the highway, engage the system, and sit back sipping my coffee for the next 45 minutes. It costs $800 to get fully setup with an EON/Panda/Giraffe and almost every Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai since 2017 is now supported. Check out some of the videos on youtube and you'll want one too.

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>I get on the highway, engage the system, and sit back sipping my coffee for the next 45 minutes.

Please, do not do this.

>Please, do not do this.

I get that people are unable to comprehend the fact that true level 2 autonomy is here and ready to use, but it is. It's perfectly safe to sit back completely disengaged from the controls on OpenPilot, so long as your eyes are on the road (which the software enforces with head tracking). Any sort of situation that could require you to take control is warned in advance.

>Any sort of situation that could require you to take control is warned in advance.

And what about false negatives, where something happens but it doesn't warn you?

The fact that comma.ai pulled out of releasing the comma one when the NHTSA asked them some fairly basic questions is a massive red flag. They can't even guarantee that openpilot will detect low slung trailers or motorcycles [1]. If they want to develop and release autonomous cars of any level they should be going through proper procedures and regulations, not just sticking a "for research purposes only" sticker on everything and distancing themselves from any responsibility.

There are far, far too many unknown unknowns when it comes to autonomous vehicles. If you're already forced to keep your eyes on the road, stop being lazy and do everyone around you a favour: grip the steering wheel, keep your feet on the pedals, and focus on the road.

[1] https://opc.ai/faqs/does-openpilot-see-people-animals-motorc...

> If you're already forced to keep your eyes on the road, stop being lazy and do everyone around you a favour: grip the steering wheel, keep your feet on the pedals, and focus on the road.

You do that, and I'll continue enjoying my self driving car.

Until it kills an innocent pedestrian. What are you gonna do then?

This is extremely reckless

>This is extremely reckless

I find driving without it to be reckless at this point. Humans are susceptible to distraction, OpenPilot is not.

That might be the elephant in the room: contemporary driving is reckless _to begin with_. Autonomous assists are bringing this to light - not necessarily making it more or less reckless.

No more reckless than doing the same with Tesla Autopilot.

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