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>In fact, Java is so far behind C# with true Generics

It's not "true Generics" it's a different generics tradeoff (tradeoff not just for backwards compatibility sake).

And LINQ is not that important in the grand scheme of things. Are Haskell, CL, or Smalltak also "far behind" C# for not having LINQ? It's just another feature. You can most of the same things with a fluent interface, streams, and functional composition, and without straying off the regular syntax of the language into a LINQ DSL.

Besides, last time I've checked, Java still has the performance edge over C#.

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LINQ itself is a big deal because of what it enables.

A simple LINQ expression can be passed around an translated on the fly by various providers. The same expressions can be translated to Sql, Mongo, regular IL, etc.

And no LINQ isn’t just syntax.

Last time I checked neither SmallTalk or Haskell are taking the world by storm...

Haven’t Java proponents been claiming Java was going to be fast for over two decades?

>A simple LINQ expression can be passed around an translated on the fly by various providers. The same expressions can be translated to Sql, Mongo, regular IL, etc.

The same can happen with a simple abstract expression in native syntax (in fact tons of tools in all languages that do that). LINQ just gives you a standardized built-in DSL for that -- but nothing you can't build yourself with the language's main syntax. Heck, LISPs have been able to do the same shit for half a century.

>Last time I checked neither SmallTalk or Haskell are taking the world by storm...

Yes, they only made a dent with the smarter developers.

Still, C# isn't taking the Linux world by storm either, and it's nearly irrelevant on mobile too, so there's that.

>Haven’t Java proponents been claiming Java was going to be fast for over two decades?

Java has been fast for over 15 years now, so not sure what you're getting at here. Faster than C# as well, so there's that too.

Okay so where is it? What language besides some .Net based languages allows me to take the same query expression and have it interpreted differently based on the provider and allows me to switch out an RDMS or Mongo for example without changing the calling code?half a century ago I wasn’t even born (about 5 years later). Saying Lisp did it 50 years ago is about like Mac users bragging in 2019 that they had a GUI before PCs.

As far as LISP, what are the job opportunities like in 2019?

Yes, they only made a dent with the smarter developers.

Can I make money with those languages?

Java has been fast for over 15 years now, so not sure what you're getting at here. Faster than C# as well, so there's that too.

Benchmarks?

Lisp work isn't common, but the YC founders did pretty well. I hope you're aware HN is a Lisp testbed.

So just in case I want to work for the one anecdotal company that uses Lisp I’ll keep that in mind...

But seeing that I like the optionality of working for any of the dozens of companies that have job openings continuously for JavaScript, C#, C, C++, and even Python, I think I’ll stick with those....

So better keep up with Java, given the amount of job offers across the globe.

There is a big difference between choosing the less popular but still marketable technology and someone doggedly sticking with a technology that has being put in maintenance mode by the vendor or in the case of Lisp, a minuscule market.

Most benchmarks I follow show C# as faster than Java, or at worst tied, these days:

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r17&hw=...

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