Time Series Databases to Watch
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Scaling out is a more complex story: Read Scaleout works seamless using read replicas (another existing Postgres mechanism). Replicas can also help you for high availability, Write scaleout is difficult with TimescaleDB (same for Postgres): Sharding can be an option, or buying bigger machines.
The theory is they are not supporting it in favor of promoting their new time series DB.
Then our stack is primarily in AWS. So when it comes to DBs, I'd prefer to keep it all within our VPC for security / latency reasons - for sensitive data at least.
Is that correct?
It doesn't pre-aggregate your data so if you're trying to get aggregates for a large data set, it's not fast.
We also have more in the works for large datasets: eg scaling out storage across multiple machines as well as data tiering for lower storage costs.
Feel free to email me if you'd like more info on either: ajay (at) timescale (dot com)
How is TimescaleDB doing with compression by the way? Meaning if you compare your raw data and the disk usage, what's the ratio?
Also worth noting that TimescaleDB is far more memory-efficient than other time-series databases (eg InfluxDB [1]), and for some folks the memory cost savings is significant (b/c memory cost $$$ >> disk cost $).
[1] https://blog.timescale.com/timescaledb-vs-influxdb-for-time-...
Write scale-out is something we have been working on for nearly a year now.
Here are some preliminary benchmarks we shared at Postgres Conf earlier this year (benchmarks have continued to improve since then): https://twitter.com/acoustik/status/1108813512321708032
We'll have more to share regarding write scale-out later this month :)
From my understanding, something like an integrated extension to the server (not a linked/foreign server) would be great because the query optimizer would be able to plan its queries based on that information.
Has anyone been in a situation like this and taken steps to mitigate the inefficiencies of a system like this?
I am not aware if MS SQLServer has anything equivalent.
I’m not aware of any out-of-the-box support for smart partitioning by time (Timescale’s main feature). You could set that kind of thing up manually but it would be a fair bit of work.
Columnstore engines tend to be optimized for read, rather than write. I know for certain that Microsoft's columnstore technology is not a good fit for true real time applications.
Also I don’t like the phrase “true real time applications” at all. It is less useful than even Microsoft’s OLAP-Cube-ETL-OLTP word salad, and embedded developers in particular are going to be cringing if they read that.
When I've been benchmarking SQL Server for such use cases, we've always found its columnar indices to be too much overhead.
The second is as a clustered columnstore index. This stores the rows directly as a columnstore. That's the way I'd store time series data. In this case, all the inserts go into a "delta rowstore" and are moved by a background service into the clustered columnstore structure. Your inserts proceed as fast as any insert into a rowstore. There is overhead to move the data since it's doing a fair bit of compression. But that's going to be true of anything that does compression.
If you want really fast ingest, you can use an InMemory OLTP (aka Hekaton) structure and layer a column store index on top of that. And that InMemory structure can be persisted to disk. That gives you much better performance than a plain rowstore. You'd probably want to write something to move the data to a longer term structure but that would be the fastest way to ingest it I can think of. Using SQL Server :)
I agree on memory-optimized being ideal for a real time service. The overhead of column indexing has ruled it out whenever I've benchmarked it for real time use cases. Last time was on SQL 2016, so latest optimizations may have brought it to par.
This gives insert performance on par with row storage (it is using row storage!). This can be combined with their in memory database functionality as well.
[0]https://blog.cloudflare.com/http-analytics-for-6m-requests-p...
Druid and Pinot have a lot of moving parts. If I remember correctly, Druid was something like 6-8 different nodes for different parts of the ingestion / querying processes. So it's going to be a lot of upfront and ongoing dev ops work.
Clickhouse is interesting because it seems to just "work". One thing to deploy and you just increase the number of nodes as you scale.
In our case, the simple deployment and management of Clickhouse is a key feature. It is masterless [1] with no namenodes or coordinators, so each machine looks the same, and there is only one process to manage.
If you rely on its replication mechanism for sharding, Zookeeper becomes necessary, but writing directly to nodes in an orderly fashion is also an option (as we are).
[1] This means nodes are not aware of what each other contain, so queries hit all nodes with some maybe having no work to do. Depending on your workload this may or may not be a concern.
What do you plan to do if you need to add new nodes and/or you need to rebalance nodes due to concentrated data access patterns? How do you handle cross-node queries like joins?
Correct. Some ETL inserts to specific nodes when sharding is necessary, in other cases Kafka engine tables on a group of nodes subscribe to common topics, and we simply let the whole cluster participate in queries. This works just fine when table scans are acceptable.
Rebalancing is a missing option here, short of moving partitions manually. But in my specific use cases, I have not yet needed to rebalance across nodes.
Note using native Clickhouse replication is still an option if we need it. One cost to it is the extra work needed in the database cluster, so addressing it in an eariler layer works for us.
> How do you handle cross-node queries like joins?
If I understand your question, since we are using the Distributed view type across the cluster definition, a query on any node will receive data from the others as part of a join-less SELECT, and federate on the node with the client connection.
We are not doing any database-side JOINs currently. Plans are to augment data in ETL, or join data post-query (potentially Spark). Clickhouse dictionaries handle simple cases.
My company currently uses Druid and has for a few years now, but I have been evaluating ClickHouse on the side as a possible replacement, and as a testament to its simplicity, I was able to stand it up and get in going as a PoC pretty quick/easily.
So far I have only found good things about ClickHouse, maybe the only ClickHouse downside has been the management of the cluster and data, but I haven't gotten too far into operationalizing ClickHouse to know how much those kind of items will cost.
Perhaps the other thing is the documentation, while reasonably good imo, still doesn't explain everything as well as I'd like. It was good enough, but I definitely had to experiment on a couple items to get them working as needed.
It would also be ideal if they could accelerate the data ingestion process somehow without the need to buffer chunks with yet another moving piece like Kafka.
I guess ideally, I'm looking for some kind of standalone HTAP system minus transactional guarantees.
Data ingestion process may be accelerated without resorting to Kafka - just insert data into Buffer table [2].
[1] https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/disks/#pdspecs
[2] https://clickhouse.yandex/docs/en/operations/table_engines/b...
Disclaimer: I'm an organizer.
Well, InfluxDB is not completely open-source. They have a free-tier, which is open source, but it is not clustered. So your data will not be high-available and you can't scale beyond a single node.
Thanks for the clarification.
RRDtool stores its data values in a circular buffer (or many buffers, at different resolutions) so performance is constant - it doesn't degrade over time. Also resource usage is constant. The price you pay is that older data is stored at coarser resolution. I assume it also made the data points fixed in time for performance reasons, which is fine in my opinion.
I don't know if there are modern integrations or reporting tools built on the database.
https://db.cs.cmu.edu/seminar2017/
6 tsdb vendors talk about their DB.
The killer for us is that we allow essentially ad-hoc querying over long time intervals, but require the results to be returned quickly. And the dataset, while not Google proportions, isn't small.
So, there's two use cases for us:
1. We use it to ingest tick-by-tick FX rates
2. We use it to query historical rates e.g. whenever a users opens our homepage we query it directly from TimescaleDB
We've battled tested it pretty hard now & haven't run into any scaling issues - been very much plug & play.
[1] https://github.com/VictoriaMetrics/VictoriaMetrics/wiki/Sing...
Thank you!
An example with Influx is available here : https://www.terminalbytes.com/temperature-using-raspberry-pi...
Literally any database or disk hierarchy.
I'd probably use SQLite, or if I had any relational database up already, I'd use that.
seriously... simple n easy.
CSV and rsync could do it.
* New users filling up their profile - {'id': ,'name': ,'city': , ...}
* Older users making updates to their profiles or even adding new fields - {'id': ,'city': }, {'id': , 'new_field': }
Which database solutions make it easy to write queries like - "give me the profile information for id: X as of May 3rd 2018"? A document DB like Mongo definitely supports this but joining data across different streams doesn't seem quite straightforward as joining SQL tables.
Thanks!
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/data-explorer/
We're migrating from a 50-node Elasticsearch to ADX, imho: - amazing query language (KQL) - less work to maintain cluster - lower cost
(it appears to be similar to Clickhouse, but more feature rich)
Prometheus with the Cortex backend gives you distributed Timeseries storage with Prometheus.
A single generator has well over a hundred properties you would care about and although we're talking about 5 minute data, there are many many overlapping simulations being run around the clock and many of those simulations look into the future for many days. Then you have load data, topology data, equipment outages, load and wind forecast, thousands of pricing points that can be further decomposed into constituent prices, changing bids and offers, energy transactions...I could type for the next hour and only cover a small amount of what I know which is still a small percentage of what we actually store.
From a time-series perspective, a single generator can show well over a hundred line-charts and you can do that off of multiple study types...and you might have well over a thousand generators in your market, not to mention all the other logged objects such as transmission lines which also have lots of properties logged. You're right that time-series data can be compressed, but the SQL data is somewhat different I think.
In short, energy markets are hugely complex creatures. There is just so much going on that I have yet to get bored and have a non-busy day in nearly a decade of employment. It's an extremely exciting field for sure as there is just so much going on and so much change occurring. In the not so distant future, many experts think the lines between transmission and distribution will become blurred and we'll all need even more data to run the grid at peak efficiency and reliability.
Timestream has been in preview for too long. Does that mean they're having trouble with productizing it?
You can host anything in OP article in EC2 but you don't get the managed features. PLUS most of those (eg timescale and influxdb) are seriously priced for serious features like clustering/scaling/HA.
Plain Old Posgres is not awful for TS [1] but I'm also looking for something better.
At $work, we're considering Plain Old Elastic, which is a managed service. It scales well and if you don't have mountains of data, there shouldn't be surprises. If you do have mountains of data, and you can tolerate older stuff being slower in archive, you can throw it in S3 and query it with Athena, while keeping the faster stuff in ES or Dynamo.
https://grisha.org/blog/2015/09/23/storing-time-series-in-po...
I've been on the timestream preview list for months...
times series databases would be actual datasets, I was looking forward to read about some very interesting time series datasets...
Whilst there are no immediate plans from the core team to add columnar compression or otherwise improve our support for time series use cases, I think that a lot can be readily achieved by building on top of what already exists in the core. I very much look forward to seeing others experiment with the possibilities here.
[0] https://github.com/juxt/crux/blob/master/test/crux/ts_device...
[1] https://github.com/juxt/crux/blob/master/test/crux/ts_weathe...
[2] https://github.com/juxt/crux/blob/master/test/crux/decorator...