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At this point the whole thing feels like Iraq 2.0 and I wonder if I'm getting suckered by media.

What only worries me as a progressively-disenchanted but firmly and forever a supporter of Bernie Sanders is that even sanders seems to have been wrong on this one unlike Iraq, which I would shout from rooftops that he was the only politician right about. I would (and still do) quote his 'What are you afraid of' video to all who would listen...

The question is just why?

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Matt Taibbi wrote an interesting article that agrees with you on the Iraq 2.0 front: https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-mill...

I haven't read this one, but it seems to be in the same vein: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/russ...

The second article is full of errors and false interpretations: https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1121229047760027648

You should read the report

Maybe it's because I don't use Twitter, but I find that thread to be incredibly unreadable. Are there any particularly salient points you can point out?

Is Taibbi wrong in his overall point that the media has grossly misrepresented the existence of a Russian conspiracy?

I'd be interested in what Chomsky would have to say about it. Manufacturing Consent seems more relevant than ever.

He's said several things about it, and has trashed the Russiagate conspiracy. He emphasizes both that the US interferes constantly in other elections, and also points out that Israeli collusion and interference in the US is orders of magnitude worse than Russian influence:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/01/noam_chom...

Thank you, nice find. I am not surprised. I think today's leftists are doing themselves a disservice for not listening to older thinkers like him.

I think you're misinterpreting him. He doesn't say that it's not a bad thing, or that it's a hoax. He simply says that the US does the same thing abroad and it's hypocritical to not care about that part of it.

No, I don't believe I'm misinterpreting him. He is clearly showing heavy disdain for the assertion that the Russians had any material effect on US elections. He is also pointing out that there is the much greater issue of Israeli collusion that everyone, including yourself, is ignoring when the Russia collusion narrative is a "joke" (his words). Everyone please watch the video for yourselves. It's short.

Chomsky already said "Russian collusion" was/is a complete joke

For better or worse, you just can’t have this conversation on HN.

What are you even trying to say

What was Sanders or anyone else wrong about?

It's not Iraq 2.0 if we saw repeated interference, all deeply researched and shown in the report!

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