Is this a rhetorical question? The drivers' demands are clearly listed in the article:
The drivers involved in the protests have four demands:
1. higher wages
2. clearer policies on wages, tips, how fares are shared and disciplinary action
3. employee benefits such as health care, disability payments and holiday pay
4. recognition and representation for drivers in Uber's management structure
1. Uber loses billions a year already, and they should lose more?
3. Health care? You kidding me? That's $300+ a month in the US, which would be a $15 billion/year expense for Uber.
Demands need to be structured in reality.
It might be worth considering that an opening bid that's too high in a negotiation sometimes just convinces the counterparty to walk away. If you ask for 150k and want 100k, there's a good chance the company might just say "Sorry, we can't afford that" - and then you have nothing.
Again, you're completely right. This is unquestionably a negotiation. At the same time, it would be foolish to assume that all opening bids are equally likely to be treated as reasonable.
- Some software person that likely works in a job with great health benefits and thinks they're somehow more entitled to them.
I'm not saying I'm convinced by the argument, and I'm not saying any of the above is correct. But it is the point being made, and low-effort snarky garbage like your comment just generates more heat than light and doesn't move anyone closer to understanding the situation.
Uber is the symptom of a broken system, pumping seemingly unlimited investors money based on false promises. The only winners in this game already left the boat (Kalanick for example).
This type of slave like jobs were predicted in the 60s already:
> If the social labor (time) engaged by the society is not to diminish because of automation (or any other less extreme form of increasing the productivity of labor), then new jobs have to be created. Services, the tertiary sector, swell the ranks of the army of distribution and are a eulogy to the current commodities; the additional forces which are mobilized just happen to be suitable for the organization of redundant labor required by the artificial needs for such commodities. - Guy Debord
[0] https://www.computerworld.com/article/2945817/uber-will-buy-...
It's as if they're an unsustainable business being propped up by VC money that would implode on itself in an instant if that were to go away or something.
> 3. Health care? You kidding me? That's $300+ a month in the US, which would be a $15 billion/year expense for Uber.
oh no the horror won't somebody think of the unicorns
Spoken like someone unaware of how employment works for people that make less than 40k a year.
This is not about making the math work for Uber, it's about treating humans with the slightest bit of humanity.
If the math doesn't work, they shouldn't be in business.
Making it cost significantly more for Uber to get drivers will just make the price of an Uber go up, the demand go down, and people losing their job as an Uber driver.
My refusal of your $1/day offer may also disqualify me from welfare or other benefits. So just by making the offer you may put somebody into a lose-lose situation.
I agree with you that the only pragmatic solution is to follow the rest of the industrialized world and move to a single payer system, then we just stop having this debate and even talking about who is more deserving of worry-free healthcare. (Not talking about you, just the parent post).
Wasn't the entire point of Uber that they provided dynamic pricing based on the availability of drivers? If the wages are low, it's because there is an oversupply of drivers and a low demand for rides. Your option as a driver is to go do something else and drive at a time when the wages offered are more to your liking.
The whole "you're an independent contractor, don't work for poverty wages if you don't want to, it's a choice" argument is almost out of runway thankfully.
That said, employee classification at this point would probably help Uber over its competitors, because it could start setting hours for its drivers to make demand and prices more predictable. Regulatory capture benefits large companies over small ones. Uber has the operations team to make employee classification work at scale. At the edges of employee classification Uber could offer options to drivers such as a “bid” function if they wanted, with the primary result being increased friction (but perhaps increased happiness) for drivers.
What are the counterarguments?
> By that definition, virtually no Uber drivers would be considered independent contractors, unless the company can argue that transportation is not its main business. If more states adopt this standard, “that may be the only thing that can get around an ABC test,” attorney Todd Lebowitz told CNN in May. “If a ride-hailing service is a technology company, then they may still be able to meet that test. But it's going to be scrutinized a lot more closely now.”
https://theoutline.com/post/5469/uber-employees-abc-test-ins...
https://www.hrdefenseblog.com/2018/05/say-goodbye-to-indepen...
A New York appeals board also found Uber drivers to be employees for purposes of collecting unemployment insurance.
http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=11019126706...
The parent was specifically challenging your claim that drivers don't control the where or the when, which that doesn't address.
I agree that there are good points in favor of the case that they're employees, but you're overstating it when you say drivers "don't control the where or when".
Describe in any reasonable fashion, how Uber would come up with even $5b more a year to pay for healthcare of 4 million people. Do it with concrete steps, and not just appeals to emotion or jokes.
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That's the response you came up with when you finally had to say something real? I will gladly accept the brigade of downvotes from you and the rest of the cargo cult labor organizers who express zero interest in real dialogue.
If I told you my business lost me more money than it made, you'd probably call it a hobby.
At least, at one point in time you'd call it a hobby... now it's just a startup.
But I'm not getting downvoted because of semantics. There's a very vocal socialist/labor movement contingent on HN that flocks to discussions like this.