Moniker Deactivated My Domain 26 Days Before The Expiration Date
peterc.org
peterc.org
Domain names are cheap and abandonment is infrequent and unlikely to save much money, for most people on HN. So renew them early, for long terms. For your business or blog or other domain which will be a going concern for the foreseeable future, go renew it for ten years. If your business gets sold to Amazon tomorrow, oh well, that cost you only $60 ~ $80 or so.
I own a small stable of domains (a few dozen) and keep most of them on rolling two year registrations, with my main ones (product sites, my blog, etc) on rolling five year registrations. I renew all of them yearly. This way, screwups by myself, my bank, Paypal, or GoDaddy probably won't deprive me of use of my property.
I agree with the gist of your point. I follow this process with some important domains because most TLDs are cheap. At ~$75-$99 per year (depending on registrar), .io is not cheap and it made no sense to cashflow at the time to throw years on it, especially as I hadn't made my mind up whether to jump to the .com I own before launch (seriously considering this now). That's my lame excuse ;-)
That aside, I'm fastidious with my calendar and delegated my responsibility by marking to renew the domain in late December prior to the expiry date. This is close to the line but still reasonably before it and this issue is something Moniker needs to clear up in its TOS or similar (Moniker even sent frequent e-mails telling me when it expired with no warning of this deactivation date.) Since I've not actually "launched" yet, I'm not baying for blood - just an improvement in their service.
And, as always, thanks for the excellent advice. I just came from upping the registration lengths on all my domains ;-)
Mail this guy: monte@corp.moniker.com
His full name is Monte Cahn, he's only going to be there for another 3 weeks or so so move while you can. (he started Moniker.com).
That should get your stuff sorted out in no time flat, Monte is very serious about preserving the reputation of the company he built, and has been even after selling to oversee.net.
If that does not get you sorted out fast enough to your liking let me know (j@ww.com).
(Luckily, I'm not baying for blood, I just want them to clear this up so both I and others won't get caught out by this undocumented policy again.)
Yes Peter because these are special ccTLD's with
these rules. I suggest you renew prior to this
expiration date that the registry has in place for these
domains.
I have a screenshot of the .io registry's own WHOIS saying the expiration date is December 31, 2010. I'll sort of let Monte off because he's traveling and time might be in short supply but it's still a silly response.I had a similar situation recently where I cancelled my auto-renewal 6 months before the renewal date and my site was pulled (even though I'd paid for the year). I could've blogged about it and tried to encourage everyone not to use the provider, but I just contacted them direct and got a quick resolution. Maybe if I'd had no response I'd have tried to make it public but there was no need as it was a simple mistake.
It seems to me that these days people want to shout out their problems far too quickly rather than try and get them fixed. This is a strange way of getting things resolved.
I don't blame him for reaching out to every available outlet while he waits.
In this case, he's already got at least 1 post that gives him someone else to contact in the company and get noticed.
And there's probably someone that works there that reads HN, so that's another thing in his favor.
I did try at least, but Moniker's support site is hideous. It's one of these "read the knowledge base 1001" nonsense sites that try to impede you getting in touch. I did some basic searches for things like "expired" and "pending deletion" with no results from their search engine. And you have to sign up for a whole new account just to use their separate support site..
Separate to that, this does not appear to be a one-off mistake, but a policy. Even if I had the ear of their CEO, I doubt they'd do anything beyond placate me, but this policy could burn a lot of other customers. The more people know about and whine about the policy, the more likely they are to resolve it.
I will concede, however, that I am keen on using my social media skills and connections to highlight things I consider bad. I believe it's the responsibility of the connected few to drive fear of the customer into the hearts of companies in order that they give solid service and that they do not violate their own TOS/contractual obligations. If Moniker had merely double billed me or been rude to me on chat, I wouldn't have written it up. When they take a site down and replace it with spam while I still legally own it against their TOS, that's time to get pissy.
I would even go so far as to say they are untrustworthy.
My complaints about Moniker include not answering support emails, refusing domain transfers for no reason (domains I had sold - which naturally upset the counterparty), support staff putting me on hold and never coming back. I could go on.
I used to have over 250 domains with them, but after their third or so screw up (without a hint of an apology or indication that they even cared about my business) I moved all of my stash to nearlyfreespeech.
Couldn't be happier with nearlyfreespeech.
But thanks anyway.
Thanks for playing mr. Anonymous, I don't think what I do for a living is a secret around here and did mention that that was a combined number between myself and a number of other companies.
If you're clueless about something the polite thing to do is to ask rather than to make insinuations.
Or a couple of domain re-sellers that sell domains as part of their hosting package? (that use Moniker as their 'upstream').
> that it's hard to find a domain
I've never had that problem. You mean that you find it hard to find 'single word' or 'perfect descriptions' of common ideas, and that's true, but I'm fairly sure that you can find plenty of good domain names for exactly $8.
The value of a domain is directly proportional to the amount of time that you put in to it. Usually the people that complain about there not being any 'free' domains are really complaining that they can't get the domains they want. Not realizing perhaps that if the person currently holding their desired domain would not be holding it surely someone else would.
There are all kinds of arguments for/against holding a large number of domains, my own criterion has always been that if my idea isn't worth the $8/year fee for a domain then I should not even bother to write it out. If you come by 6 weeks later and have the same idea, and through sheer coincidence decide on the same name then you will have to be just a little bit more creative, but we all agree the value is in the execution, not in the domain name.
Google.com was worth $8 when they got it first, and at that time the same complaint was often heard.
It's like the DNS variation on the HN/Reddit theme, and I figure as long as the DNS is the prevalent method of locating hosts this will continue to be the case.
In a few years time all the 6 letter domains will be gone, etc. But there are an awful lot of possibilities there, 300M+, someone did some work to prove just how likely it is that some pronounceable domain is gone:
http://semmyfun.blogspot.com/2010/09/what-is-probability-tha...
For 7 letters (which is really quite short) that does not look all that bad to me.
But, of course, since it's not in their TOS, and isn't either the normal way of doing things or stated very loud and clear during the registering process, it's unacceptable.
Having a window after the official expiration date that few people know isn't elegant to me. Also in the vast majority of cases, if it's valuable to keep a domain 11 months after registering it, it's valuable to keep it longer.
A sample:
# 0 Domains Pending Deletion - [ RENEW NOW ]
# 0 Domains Pending Deactivation
# 0 Domains Expiring Within 7 Days
# 51 Domains Expiring Within 35 Days
# 146 Domains Expiring Within 75 Days
So they actually start warning more than two months in advance.