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Don’t Take My DataCamp Course, There Must be Consequences for Sexual Assault

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"danced inappropriately and made uninvited physical contact with another employee" seems a bit vague. What actually happened?

That is the description made by DataCamp in their post trying to bury the issue as well as possible. Meanwhile, the other side tries to keep the description general out of respect for the victim, presumably seeking to not spark a discussion over the details of their clothing and demeanour.

Apparently the exact details are serious enough that they could gather a 100 signatures on a letter about it and DataCamp itself felt they could not simply remain silent.

It would be better to have more explicit details. The post says we should get this guys fired. Then what does he do? Find another job. The post from DC doesn't say the executive's name. If new employers call DC to ask what happened, they won't tell them because they could be sued for slander. The trend has been to fire people who get into trouble like this. But should a company pass judgement on someone like that. How much evidence should it require to destroy a person's livelyhood.

If there is evidence DC should hand it over to the police, suspend the executive. Then fire them when the charges stick. Corporations shouldn't be dealing in justice.

If there is evidence I'm more than happy to boycott a co, but if we're asking the public to pass judgement, they should have the evidence.

if it was assault (sexual or otherwise) then someone should have contacted law enforcement as they are uniquely suited to initiate a process that results in consequences

This belongs in the courts where the act, evidence, defense and outcome can be heard by all.

We're supposed to form/not-form a mob based a description so broad that could very well encompass the behaviors of Joe Biden to Bill Clinton and everything in between.

This trial by sketchy-facts is not fair to the accused or the victim or to anybody that's pressured to make a decision about this.

It's really a bold move by Noam, considering that his contract with Datacamp doesn't let him pull out the course. Sending out this message after he's put so much effort in creating a course that could provide him lifetime royalty for every course that's taken.

> I retain IP and the right to post it elsewhere, but grant DC a perpetual, non-exclusive license to the course material in return for royalties.

He is still free to monetize it how he sees fit. DC could choose not to post the material, but that seems to be his endgoal.

https://twitter.com/noamross/status/1117050638955892742

my feeling is that there isn’t enough detail in the original datacamp note or this article to support the case that someone should be fired. it’s barbaric to crucify someone based on sentiment and presumption when no one is aware of the specifics.

The "consequences" could be training, workshops, counseling and possibly a disciplinary. My wife consults to organizations on managing workplace sexual harassment. There do need to be consequences but also to understand how damaging this behaviour is

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