Unheard History of Bodybuilding Forums
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|{i, i+1, i+2, ..., n}| = (n - i) + 1 is a little clunkier to say
1: http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/O/obi-wan-error.html
> "You don't count what day it is when counting days, I just explained that. If today is SATURDAY, it's not 2 days until SUNDAY now is it?"
The sheer concept that Sunday to Sunday = 1 week versus Sunday to Saturday = 1 week is kind of bending my brain.
"He is in Josh world. The g'damn dumbest world in the universe!"
Classic. Reminds me of arguing Xbox vs Playstation as a teen on neogaf.com.
A lot of shit talking, and some on-topic discussion about gaming every now and then.
What a wonderful time to have been a teen.
So Sun -> Sun = 7 days = 1 week!
OP's mixing duration with a "period" of time.
https://www.fark.com/comments/2618004/WTF-did-I-just-take-a-...
A WEEK IS NOOOOTTTTT SUN-SUN!!!! IT'S SUN-SAT, S-E-V-E-N-DAYS!!!!
Sun-Sat is only 6 days?!
Sunday ONE
Monday TWO
Tuesday THREE
Wednesday FOUR
Thursday FIVE
Friday SIX
Saturday SEVEN
Arizona public schools=FAIL
Another hilarious thread from bbf: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=139812923&pa...
https://www.theonion.com/new-decoy-website-launched-to-lure-...
It was actually implemented and comments were just going wild. Here is one thread on the WaybackMachine:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120214071531/http://outkube.com...
"That's terrific you have alot of money. Can you lend me $800? I'll pay you back $100 every other day for 2 weeks. Sound cool?"
> My point was proved by smarter people, if you take a single week, not two weeks, just a single week, and workout every other day, you can workout 4 days a week, the end, stop bitching.
I remember encountering at least one, and the passages I read tended to brush up against a sort of dimwitted infantile fan fiction, mixing bizarre fantasies with near-zero understanding of human anatomy and physiology.
One particular discussion that sticks out in my mind was something akin to a 12 year-old's musings (and it might, very well, have been some little kid), about how protein travels from a dinner plate all the way into the muscles, and it was tempting to believe one person was sock puppeting the whole thread, pretending to carry multiple sides of the conversation, as a sort of blend of creative writing and performance art, but just based on the voice and tone of the various replies, it really did seem like some sort of group fantasy role playing session.
This was before I knew the true depth and breadth of furry subculture, and eventually, once I became more familiarized with such facts of life, and developed an understanding of the intersection of interests between fan fiction and fur suit fetishists, I surmized that on some level, what had been going on with all those body building forums was that a subset of the fur suit/fan fiction subculture had begun to fantasize collectively about bulging human muscles and oiled up skin, as if it were a form of fur suit, and then took to authoring concept pieces, to role play within that context.
In the same way that ASMR is something akin to an alt-kink version of phone sex, this sort of thing seemed to be likened to alt-cybering in an obscure sub-genre of fur kink.
Anyway, that was the weird shit I remember bumping into back then. Now I suspect it's all rolled into the general morasse of Facebook flotsam, diluted and washed out. Maybe it's better that way... Maybe.
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Well actually, author-marketers didn’t like paying money for an “article” only to get trashed for it.
And site operators didn’t want “authors” to realize their “serious” product placements caused a negative impression.
The stuff he wrote was so unbelievable that it seems to be designed to trigger some members. I specifically remember a post where he bragged about having a bmw and still had no luck with girls and he saw <some other race> in a Honda with a pretty girl and he couldn’t believe it.
It was so outlandish it was impossible to take seriously.
:-)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/sports/doping-thomas-mann...
He convinced a lot of people that he was an expert at all things science despite using an incredibly immature writing style. It turns out he was a lawyer!
I skimmed the article, but couldn't find examples or mention of his writing style.
> Thirteen months ago I was diagnosed with a very serious health issue. The prognosis is poor.
That was obviously a lie.
Where are the examples of his immature writing style that convinced people of his expert knowledge in all things science?
I was a member of his forum and read his posts from time to time out of curiosity.
The compounds he sold through his alias "Tom" were very vanilla, most of which were available from reputable companies like Ceretropic.
It was then discovered he was using steroids, which caused some of the community to hate him. He got booked for a reality show, but then died due to an undiagnosed heart defect.
not natty bro
I find this hard to believe considering the many years I spent on his forum, and especially in comparison to many of the advice touted by gurus from other hubs.
One excerpt:
-11th November 2012, 11:57 PM -How a dose of GHRP-2 affects a change in GH - CHARTED OUT
"Sometimes people seem to get confused... When you use a GHRP or Mod GRF (1-29)/GHRP two things happen. One the GHRP or Mod GRF (1-29)/GHRP enters the blood stream and slowly disappears from the blood stream. But what it does (by binding to cells in the pituitary) is increase the appearance of GH in the bloodstream.
So GHRP or Mod GRF (1-29)/GHRP are involved in a two-step move that modulates the appearance of GH. The two-step dance is nicely graphed out for us in Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Growth Hormone-Releasing Peptide-2: A Phase I Study in Children, Catherine Pihoker, Gregory L. Kearns, Daniel French, And Cyril Y. Bowers, Clin Endocrinol Metab 83: 1168–1172, 1998
In words, you can see GH peak in the blood stream at 30 minutes. This understanding you are probably familiar with. You can see that the initial drop in GHRP-2 corresponds to the GH rise. This disappearance primarily comes from GHRP-2 being taken up into the pituitary. An analogy would be 100 people on the street, 30 minutes later 70 of them have opened doors to houses on the street and entered. There are still 100 people, but only 30 left on the street with 70 in the houses. At the 30 minute mark GHRP-2 reflects the lesson of this analogy.
After 30 minutes there may be more binding opportunities for GHRP-2 in serum and so some may also be taken up but most will be cleared over the next 1.5 hours.
What is responsible for GH's disappearance from serum? Well to use the people/street analogy, it too begins to open doors and get off the serum street and bind to cells. This continues to take place over the next hour.
So to put this two step into context, both GHRP-2 & GH follow the same pattern. They appear in serum and then disappear because they have found their respective doors. However GHRP-2 steps out on the street 30 minutes earlier then GH which is not awoken until GHRP-2 wakes it up.
GH will then bind to receptors from approximately 30 minute post-injection to 90 minutes post injection."
This is one small sample. There was a wealth of information lost when the forum was taken down.
He claimed "Tom" synthesized the compounds in America when in reality they were sourced from China. He doesn't have the required skill to test these compounds for purity and heavy metals. He put many people at risk for financial gain.
However, what made Dat and his forum unique was their focus on health and wellness. Bodybuilding was one small area that could benefit (in limited cases) from the use of peptides.
>He was a fraud that put his parents in legal peril with his scam.
I am not arguing that he was ethical. I am simply stating that the information gathered over time in the forum was invaluable. Many people contributed their knowledge and expertise on a variety of subjects to lengthy discussions. I would argue that readers of HN would find a forum like this very intriguing and worthwhile.
Stating that he was a fraud does not invalidate the knowledge he and others shared.
>He put many people at risk for financial gain.
This is partially correct. Let's look at "...for financial gain":
From his arrest and the investigation, in fact, he received immunity (IIRC) and likely gave away his list of buyers which included Olympic athletes and major sports stars (a good reference for the NYT article is actually an Al Jazeera documentary on sports doping: see https://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/the-dark-side.html). In the coming years we may learn more about some of his buyers.
Now, for the first part of your statement:
>He put many people at risk
Dat did not push peptides onto any participants on his forum. Many anecdotes (and from my own experience as well) show that Dat actually recommended members NOT to use peptides for many of their illnesses or other troubles. The application of peptides falls into a small band of uses: muscle rejuvenation and recovery; stimulating GH release in an older age; maximizing IGF-1 and cellular swelling for optimal hypertrophy (and a few other applications). Peptides are not a miracle cure and do not provide the same benefits as other PEDs.
Practitioners who used peptides knew fully well what the risk of application was. Nothing was peddled as completely safe and harmless; people were, after all, injecting exotic compounds into their body without proper medical supervision.
People who used peptides and other PEDs did so out of their own motivation and will, and knew fully-well what the risks involved were.