You should hear what people say about people that were born and raised in the US South.
Seems in some places, it's perfectly (socially) acceptable to pick on others, as long as you're picking on the 'right' group of folks.
Seems in some places, it's perfectly (socially) acceptable to pick on others, as long as you're picking on the 'right' group of folks.
This is the US. Here, it's perfectly acceptable to pick on everyone. From blacks, and handicapped people, to bankers, and frat boys. You can discriminate against whoever you like here. At least in the jokes and social situations.
You should hear what they say about blacks, or greedy bankers, or frat boys, or women they call "gold diggers", or jews, or hispanics, or white people, or cops, or etc etc etc.
That's the great thing about America, you can say whatever you like.
Are you saying you never hear people talk bad about bankers, or frat boys, or jews, or cops, or blacks, or hispanics, etc etc etc?
Because if so, I call BS.
I also call BS if you try to tell me that everyone you've heard talk bad about, say, bankers or jews, has been fired from their job. Sure, you go up to your boss and tell your jokes about money grubbing jews, or joke about killing cops, and you're likely to not have a job.
But who does that? We all tell jokes in private social situations.
This is America, where everyone is discriminated against. That's reality. Mainly because as "whalesalad" said, "we're tribal people."
This entire idea that there are "approved groups" is nonsense made up by a bunch of people trying to make us think we can't tell jokes about anybody. When it's plainly obvious that we can, we should, and we do.
This is evidence that you are in a bubble. The world is a big, diverse, complex place.
Actually, you pretty much hit it on the nose! That's the particular extended bubble which effectively controls much of 2019's media and has the economic and political clout to make their (often misguided) will stick. That's a particular bubble which has unusually thick walls, while there's a particularly pressing societal need for its members to see from beyond its own boundaries.
You're talking about, "in the news, in academia, in the movie industry, in hiring, basically in the public culture". Whereas I'm talking about how people talk in private social situations. The professional world should be professional, and separate from your private life. (You don't talk to your spouse and kids the way you talk to your coworkers unless something is very, very wrong in one place or the other.)
As I've already said, no, you can't go up to your boss and start joking about killing cops, or about "gold digging women like his daughter". But again, who does that? That's just dumb.
Yes, in the professional world, guess what? They only want professionals. That's not some off the wall notion that has only arisen "...in the last say 5 years..." It's been that way since forever.
So I'm sorry man, I'm just not gonna feel bad for you because you can't denigrate handicapped people, or hispanics, or whatever at work. But I will call you a dummy for doing so, and I'll add that it's unprofessional.
But as I said before, at parties or whatever, there is no way you can tell me that people don't joke about those same handicapped people and hispanics. It happens all the time.
I'm in middle of nowhere Wisconsin, and I hear jokes about blacks and handicapped people all the time. When I lived in Houston, it was the same. (Well, mostly about blacks. But still.)
If you're telling me you don't, I'm telling you that you're talking out of your posterior orifice.
Serious question.
Bankers can get racial connotations. It just depends on if it's the correct race to bash on in the current crowd. Same goes for frat boys.
That said, all of that is horrible and wrong. (But I will fight for your right to say it all the same.)
Not trying to be aggressive, I just want to know why you think the cultural discrimination against white Southerners is equivalent to that against Chinese ethnic groups that are being actively oppressed, or some other group that is being actively oppressed.
In 2019, it has become fashionable to impute beliefs on another person on scant evidence. Perhaps as little as what someone looks like, or what 'type' they are based on the first impression.
Back in the day, we used to call this bigotry.
I dream of the day when all Americans will be judged not by [surface signifier] but by the content of their character.
EDIT: If you are on the Left, then it is especially incumbent on you to call out your own side. What's more, if you're afraid to speak up, or frequently decide to hold your tongue, start asking yourself why.
It's a frequent trope in history: Sociopaths co-opting a cause and the language of movements.
You're generalizing people here. You can't say that a group of individuals 'say' anything about you without generalizing them.
> Does Joe Redneck lose jobs because he was born in Georgia rather than California?
First, that's a disparaging term, and it shouldn't be used in polite discourse.
Do you agree, that southerners are perceived to be more racist, sexist, or homophobic by some people? Do you believe this perception could create a negative bias towards those people?
Seems in some places, it's perfectly (legally) acceptable to pick on others, as long as you're picking on the 'wrong' group of folks.
There has been widespread advocacy for this sort of socially acceptable "picking on" in the West and in the United States in recent years. People in the SV/Bay Area tech and creative circles will do this. A few years ago, media people were advocating that we label people "Nazis" and then punch them.
I remember people from my youth who used to namecall and label people, then haze them or do violence to them. They would have correctly been called racists and homophobes. In 2019, when people engage in similar behaviors, but for the "other" side, I see this as much worse. The best way to hurt a cause is to advocate for it badly.
It doesn't matter the professed beliefs and stated reasons. To me, the actions speak much louder than the words.
(Again: I'm not saying that violence is the only answer- I genuinely am seeking evidence otherwise as I abhor violence.)
Those are pretty simple to advocate against. Murder bad. Who disagrees with that? Basically no one. Genocide bad. Who disagrees with that? Basically no one.
However, here's how you can actually strengthen the bad side. Start pushing ridiculous narratives. Start calling everyone a Nazi. Say that even the "Ok" sign is a Nazi salute. Advocate for political violence. Basically, abandon the principles and moral framework of liberal democracy, and become just like them.
The best way to combat extremist viewpoints is through adherence to principles and a moral framework -- showing that these can make you prosper. This is basically how we won the cold war.
(what I assume would get one labeled a nazi)
Bad assumption in 2019. In 2019, there are toxic members of the Far Left who will label anyone that for any kind of dissent from their particular views.
I genuinely am seeking evidence otherwise as I abhor violence.
If you are in the United States, then the evidence is all around you. It must be understood in the context of world history, however. If you truly abhor violence, then if you are a member of the left, you need to start calling it out on the left. The best way to fight evil, is to be forthright and speak out about it.